Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by O.city:
Question maybe someone smarter than me can answer.
If the reports of these antibody tests are correct, there were a couple hundred thousand people infected in these areas in mid march. Yet hospitals weren't really over run. I'm not being smarmy or anything, but waht the hell is going on in NY that it hit so much harder there?
All I can think of is viral load maybe? That people were and are just so continually exposed to it that it is just overwhelming.
Originally Posted by stumppy:
That happens every year, pete.
Well gee that solves that one....I guess that's proof positive that in the worst flu season we have ever had it could not have been this at all....nope, not at all [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Well gee that solves that one....I guess that's proof positive that in the worst flu season we have ever had it could not have been this at all....nope, not at all
Right, be a smart ass about it. It's damn sure something to keep in consideration when talking about all the not flu / flu like cases. [Reply]
Originally Posted by stumppy: Right, be a smart ass about it. It's damn sure something to keep in consideration when talking about all the not flu / flu like cases.
So far, Ken Lewis played LB for Wichita State back in the 80's. Died from it the other day. Knew him, can't say we were great friends, but I knew him a bit. Two old friends of mine from work had it hit close as well - David lost his dad, and Anders lost his wife. Another teammate from work recovered and told me about his experience in ICU n Westchester County.
I don't need it striking closer to me. Stay safe, fellas. [Reply]
Yes there was infections in January and February. They have already confirmed that via autopsys this past week because I posted the article and Gavin Newsom has ordered a review of all CA deceased going back to December. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Yeah, because you weren't.
If you think that was being a smart ass maybe you need to go to your safe place and gather all your sensitive feelings together for a calming group hug, maybe some warm milk would help too.
That's being a smartass.
Now, like I said, there are a lot of flu like not the flu shit that goes around every year. It's something to take into consideration before you lump all of them together with CV. [Reply]
Originally Posted by stumppy:
If you think that was being a smart ass maybe you need to go to your safe place and gather all your sensitive feelings together for a calming group hug, maybe some warm milk would help too.
That's being a smartass.
Now, like I said, there are a lot of flu like not the flu shit that goes around every year. It's something to take into consideration before you lump all of them together with CV.
Sorry, you were being a condescending smart ass. Is that better?
And please spare me the lecture. We all know that kind of shit happens every year. But you can't rule this out just because of that. No one said to lump them all together. Quit reading into what I said and read what I said in the context of which I said it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
So the king of making smart ass comments calls someone out for supposedly making a smart ass comment. Oh the irony...
Yeah, I don't know how that article states anything definitive. I know this guy research claims there was not outbreak but we are seeing bodies of people who have it dating back to the time he says they couldn't have had it. [Reply]
