Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
About the drug that doesnt work for this but keeps getting talked about by idiots like you because you are part of a cult like following.
You that confident of that fact?
If you had COVID and on day 3 while showing no significant symptoms were offered HCL/AZ, you'd say "nah, it doesn't work and there's a 10% chance of cardiac complications that I'm unwilling to take here..."?
I don't think we're anywhere close to a definitive answer on that front. [Reply]
Fauci, now so sour on hydroxychloroquine (+/- azithro) for covid19, despite its clinical promise, gushed in 4/2013 when a coronavirus [MERS] antiviral combo [ribavirin /interferon-alpha)] tested “only in cells in lab dishes” prevented viral replication! https://t.co/c9aN1b0nvZpic.twitter.com/KBTLDUeIUW
I don't understand how these situations are comparable.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Fauci is supporting the use of HCQ. When has he said it's not encouraging? Thats a lot different than endorsing something as a cure of proven treatment. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
Anyone care to speculate on this? Are covidly and worldomoters typically accurate in comparison to other sites?
Well just to answer my own question. The head doctor guy from the DHSS took a similar question from a reporter at today's press conference. He said that the official deaths they get have to be reported to the CDC, and may end up lagging behind places like the John Hopkins website, etc.
So I guess the 5 deaths reported today by the Missouri DHSS are not really a good sign. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
About the drug that doesnt work for this but keeps getting talked about by idiots like you because you are part of a cult like following.
I get it you're a dipshit, you are unable to clearly see what is CLEAR as day the governments all around the world about the drug. I don't blame you for being a moron.
It's ok to be WRONG, just don't get mad at me for pointing out how WRONG you are. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
no one gives a shit
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
You that confident of that fact?
If you had COVID and on day 3 while showing no significant symptoms were offered HCL/AZ, you'd say "nah, it doesn't work and there's a 10% chance of cardiac complications that I'm unwilling to take here..."?
I don't think we're anywhere close to a definitive answer on that front.
I'll defer to Fauci and not the cult that has constantly been wrong on this thing since the beginning. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
I get it you're a dipshit, you are unable to clearly see what is CLEAR as day the governments all around the world about the drug. I don't blame you for being a moron.
It's ok to be WRONG, just don't get mad at me for pointing out how WRONG you are.
This doesn't even make sense.
Clinical trials have not proven the effectiveness of this particular drug combo more than a month after it was first mentioned to the world.
If there was clear and unsubstantiated facts that this combo worked, right now, nearly every patient with advanced complications would be receiving this treatment.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
t's the racing equivalent of a caution flag that bunches everyone back up. Sure, while the flag is out you've reduced the likelihood of a catastrophic impact. But when the green flag drops and everyone's stuck together again, you've greatly increased the probability of a massive pile-up.
Yup! And that is why they aren't going to give us a green flag.
China is desperate to get back online and they are implementing a lot of technological solutions to help people get back to work faster and safer. Phone tracking, mandatory quarantine, self reporting health trackers, red/green displays on phones which allow access to stores and public spaces, mandatory infrared temp scanners to allow access to stores and public spaces, etc. Soon places like NY will be faced with a loss of privacy and freedom of movement just to gain some forward momentum again. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
About the drug that doesnt work for this but keeps getting talked about by idiots like you because you are part of a cult like following.
Dr. Marc Siegel, a Fox News medical contributor, told “Tucker Carlson Tonight” on Tuesday that his 96-year-old father was recently weak and struggling to breathe but recovered after he was administered an anti-malaria drug and antibiotics.
Siegel was discussing hopeful signs that hydroxychloroquine has shown in recent studies when combined with antibiotics for coronavirus treatment.
Siegel said his father, who lives in Florida, recently complained about weakness, shortness of breath and feared that he was going to die.
Siegel said that his father’s cardiologist prescribed hydroxychloroquine and antibiotics and the combination proved effective.
"He got up the next day and was fine,” Siegel said.
President Trump has been criticized by some in the media for advocating the unproven drug and has been accused of peddling false hope.
While scientists are suggesting hydroxychloroquine could be an effective treatment, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, cautioned against jumping to any conclusions without thorough research.
State Rep. Karen Whitsett of Detroit told "The Ingraham Angle" on Monday that if it wasn't for Trump pushing the drug through the Food and Drug Administration's approval process for off-label use and touting it repeatedly during his daily press briefings, she may not have made it through her fight with the disease.
"I really want to say that you have to give this an opportunity," she said. "For me, it saved my life. I only can go by what it is that I have gone through and what my story is, and I can't speak for anyone else. So that's not what I'm trying to do here. I'm only speaking for myself."
Siegel pointed out what he saw as some “interesting” developments with the drug, including a recent small study in France that could indicate that the combination could reduce the amount of “circulating virus.”
He said there is also preliminary evidence that the combination may reduce the inflammation that leads to pneumonia in some cases. [Reply]
Hamas is like Ronnie Lott getting away with personal fouls. E dave is like Ryan Fitzpatrick being crafty and shooting finger Guns after touchdowns. Dj is like belecheck up 50 and bitching to refs with one headphone off then hemming and hawing going for two to make it a 12 possession game. [Reply]