Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by TLO:
The IHME model came out yesterday with projections through like October. They're expecting a "second wave" to hit in September.
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Which is why the comsumer confidence arguement is retarded. Yeah..for a few weeks there would have been some apprehension but anyone that had been out in the real world lately if it's at a pool party at the Ozarks, riots on the streets or going to a liquor store the amount of ****s given is minimal. Personally our gym memberhaips are up over 30% between closing at the end of March and now.
Consumer spending was down 13% in April, by far a record. The previous record was 6.9%, which happened in March.
And this was with an overall income increase due to the stimulus. [Reply]
I think the paradigm is shifting from a couple thousands deaths a day being the focus to now a focus on cases. At this point we are not seeing a spike in deaths. Maybe that is yet to come but we also understand the virus more, have better methods of treating it, etc.
So if the paradigm has switched from tons of cases AND tons of deaths to tons of cases but not nearly as many deaths then we move forward in confidence that if you do get this we are able to treat it much better than a few months ago. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I think the paradigm is shifting from a couple thousands deaths a day being the focus to now a focus on cases. At this point we are not seeing a spike in deaths. Maybe that is yet to come but we also understand the virus more, have better methods of treating it, etc.
So if the paradigm has switched from tons of cases AND tons of deaths to tons of cases but not nearly as many deaths then we move forward in confidence that if you do get this we are able to treat it much better than a few months ago.
Originally Posted by tk13:
Consumer spending was down 13% in April, by far a record. The previous record was 6.9%, which happened in March.
And this was with an overall income increase due to the stimulus.
I read something today about everything that is set to expire in August, like all the renters, house mortgages, loans etc... Probably why all these states are saying fuck it let's open because the Senate has shown no willingness to extend any of it. There is going to be a blood bath coming in August if people aren't back to work by then, heck it might still happen. [Reply]
Houston-area officials are “getting close” to reimposing stay-at-home orders and are prepared to reopen a Covid-19 hospital established but never used at a football stadium as virus cases expand in the fourth-largest U.S. city. [Reply]
Remdezivisiwoosi and what not. If your argument is we are no better off now than we were when NY blew up I am gonna have to go ahead and disagree. [Reply]
Houston-area officials are “getting close” to reimposing stay-at-home orders and are prepared to reopen a Covid-19 hospital established but never used at a football stadium as virus cases expand in the fourth-largest U.S. city.
I don't know about Houston specifically but Texas in general does not look that bad. Their number of infections is still way below the projections and hospital bed use looks rather normal as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tk13:
Consumer spending was down 13% in April, by far a record. The previous record was 6.9%, which happened in March.
And this was with an overall income increase due to the stimulus.
Where were they going to spend it? Why would they spend it if they think they are on borrowed time either for a job or for the Covid unemployment? [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Remdezivisiwoosi and what not. If your argument is we are no better off now than we were when NY blew up I am gonna have to go ahead and disagree.
There’s only a select few hospitals getting remdisivir iirc. We definitely know how to deal with it better now though for sure
There’s also a damming report in the wsj about what happened in New York. It was gross negligence [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Remdezivisiwoosi and what not. If your argument is we are no better off now than we were when NY blew up I am gonna have to go ahead and disagree.
I think NY is better now because people have been smarter about social distancing, masks, etc. The March/April death-wave was from cases spreading like wildfire from pre-symptomatic folks as well as people who were sick but didn't know it was SARS2 at the time.
I would be so happy if Remdesivir is actually working, I just haven't seen anything concrete. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pants:
I think NY is better now because people have been smarter about social distancing, masks, etc. The March/April death-wave was from cases spreading like wildfire from pre-symptomatic folks as well as people who were sick but didn't know it was SARS2 at the time.
I would be so happy if Remdesivir is actually working, I just haven't seen anything concrete.
I am just stating in general they understand the virus better than they did 3 months ago which I think puts us in a better position to treat it. I am not saying we have a cure or a solid treatment just that we are better off now than were were 3 months ago when we were clueless. [Reply]
I found it funny that I think the 2nd case from the Ozarks is making national headlines but nothing is being said about anything from all these "protests". And if you're going to tell me those protests were "virus free" then you can kiss my ass. [Reply]