Vote in this poll if you actually live in Jackson county.
We've all shared our opinions in the other thread. But who gives a shit what somebody in Platte County or Johnson County or Phoenix or NYC thinks. We're all just noise. [Reply]
Originally Posted by srvy:
The tax wasn't the issue on the vote it will be paid anyway for 7 more years. The problem was with the ill-conceived planning.
People keep saying that, but nothing in the ballot initiative referred to any specific plans:
Originally Posted by :
Shall the County of Jackson repeal its countywide capital improvements sales tax of three-eighths of one percent (3/8%) authorized by Section 67.700 of the Revised Statutes of Missouri and impose as a parks sales tax of three eighths of one percent (3/8%) authorized by Section 644.032 of the Revised Statutes of Missouri for a period of 40 years, to provide funding for park improvements, consisting of (1) site preparation and clearance, developing, constructing, furnishing, improving, equipping, repairing, maintaining, and operating both Arrowhead Stadium and its surrounds, and a new baseball stadium and its surrounds, to retain the Kansas City Chiefs in Jackson County, Missouri and the Kansas City Royals in Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri pursuant to long term leases; and (2) refinancing debt obligations previously incurred to finance or refinance improvements to the Harry S Truman Sports Complex?
Even if it had passed, they could have moved forward with dramatically different plans without any public vote on changes. I certainly understand that people voted with their visions in mind, but that's not what the actual vote was about.
That's why I don't get why people think this will go back to Jackson County for a second vote - the plans weren't technically part of this vote, so it doesn't make sense they'd just do it again with different plans presented. The only thing that makes some sense is the idea of splitting out the Chiefs and Royals rather than lumping them together. [Reply]
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan:
A “no” vote was a vote to open up the possibility of the teams moving.
If the teams staying was a priority to you then you would’ve voted yes. But since you voted no you’re obviously comfortable with the idea of them leaving.
They’re going to get public money somewhere, and Kansas Citians are going to be taxed on something, no matter what. So all anyone who voted no really did was told the teams that they’re ok with them leaving.
You can keep telling yourself otherwise, but that’s the reality.
They made a crappy proposal, you must be fun in negotiations, "OMG they made a thinly veiled threat about something that could happen, better bend over and take it." [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
People keep saying that, but nothing in the ballot initiative referred to any specific plans:
Even if it had passed, they could have moved forward with dramatically different plans without any public vote on changes. I certainly understand that people voted with their visions in mind, but that's not what the actual vote was about.
That's why I don't get why people think this will go back to Jackson County for a second vote - the plans weren't technically part of this vote, so it doesn't make sense they'd just do it again with different plans presented. The only thing that makes some sense is the idea of splitting out the Chiefs and Royals rather than lumping them together.
I don't get why outsiders think we should have simply handed over $2B of our tax dollars when you admit outright that they asked for this money without providing us any plans for how it was supposed to work.
That was a big part of the reason why many people voted NO. The Royals did a very poor job of giving any kind of details about specifics. There basically weren't any. There was no community benefits agreement made. They simply wanted a blank check. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Fish:
I don't get why outsiders think we should have simply handed over $2B of our tax dollars when you admit outright that they asked for this money without providing us any plans for how it was supposed to work.
That was a big part of the reason why many people voted NO. The Royals did a very poor job of giving any kind of details about specifics. There basically weren't any. There was no community benefits agreement made. They simply wanted a blank check.
Originally Posted by Fish:
I don't get why outsiders think we should have simply handed over $2B of our tax dollars when you admit outright that they asked for this money without providing us any plans for how it was supposed to work.
That was a big part of the reason why many people voted NO. The Royals did a very poor job of giving any kind of details about specifics. There basically weren't any. There was no community benefits agreement made. They simply wanted a blank check.
It's easy to say that when you don't have to pay the tax and you can use said stadiums.
That's like going "ya'll are idiots for voting this down, even though I don't have to pay for it and can benefit from it, you should still pay for it." [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Because they aren't paying for it
It’s because they have zero ties to KC outside of the sports teams and didn’t follow this entire process as it was being very very poorly pitched from all angles. The royals would have got what they asked for if they kept it in the east village and/or communicated at better than a 2nd grade level the entire time.
If you actually paid attention from the beginning you would understand why this vote failed. If you jumped in a month before the vote you say things like 3/8ths cent! And Midwest poor lol! [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Because they aren't paying for it
It's a sales tax. Anyone who comes to the stadium and buys anything is paying for it. It's not like it is an icrease to real estate taxes just for Jackson County residents. Be for or against the continuation of this tax, I don't really give a shit, but don't act like Jackson County voters are the only ones paying the tax and don't act like it is a huge burden on any taxpayers. [Reply]
Originally Posted by LoneWolf:
It's a sales tax. Anyone who comes to the stadium and buys anything is paying for it. It's not like it is an icrease to real estate taxes just for Jackson County residents. Be for or against the continuation of this tax, I don't really give a shit, but don't act like Jackson County voters are the only ones paying the tax and don't act like it is a huge burden on any taxpayers.
You still pay far more if you live in that county, it's not like someone from Johnson county is buy their fucking groceries in Jackson county. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
People keep saying that, but nothing in the ballot initiative referred to any specific plans:
Even if it had passed, they could have moved forward with dramatically different plans without any public vote on changes. I certainly understand that people voted with their visions in mind, but that's not what the actual vote was about.
That's why I don't get why people think this will go back to Jackson County for a second vote - the plans weren't technically part of this vote, so it doesn't make sense they'd just do it again with different plans presented. The only thing that makes some sense is the idea of splitting out the Chiefs and Royals rather than lumping them together.
Technically doesn't matter. Talk with locals. The plans were very much a part of the vote.
We want to do this. Well, we might do that. Shit that won't work, maybe we'll do this. Damn you're mad, we'll do this instead. Look at these pictures! Shit, people are really pissed now. We'll leave that street. Maybe we can do this instead. This went on right up to the day of the vote. It was pure ignorance. The owner's perceived IQ and trustworthiness declined nearly every time he spoke about anything having to do with the stadium plans.
The Chiefs probably had no interest in doing so, but he'd have been better off letting them take the point while shutting up and sending his wife on a months long vacation without access to social media. A picture of a new stadium design with a "we hope to relocate to downtown at some point in the future" would have prevented him from now being ranked right up there with Frank White on the totem pole of city losers.
The idiot simply couldn't read the room's "post property tax debacle" mood. [Reply]