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FAX 09:26 PM 02-12-2020
Is a baller.

That's it. That's the thread.

FAX
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wachashi 02:38 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by Bill Brasky:
You've got that backwards. If traded or cut, caps SAVINGS is $14M. Dead money is $7M.

https://overthecap.com/player/sammy-watkins/2943/

edit: Hill is getting $17M this year and Sammy is scheduled to get $21M. Something ain't right! And no one will trade for the right to restructure him.
I am not a cap expert but I thought, if Sammy gets traded, KC is on the hook for the $7 million cap it, and the team that trades for him absorbs the remaining $14 million cap hit. I may be wrong.
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TEX 03:25 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
I can definitely see an argument for selling out for a potential dynasty team now - while we still have Hill and Kelce in their primes. Sign Jones, maybe give Watkins a 2-3 year deal where he gets more guaranteed money but less than $21M a year obviously. Backload Mahomes' contract so the first few years are easy on the cap.

Then about the time Kelce and Hill are slowing down - might have a few years of cleaning house/rebuilding.
Yep. Deal is Mahomes is young enough to be around for several rebuilds.
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SAUTO 03:27 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by BossChief:
I’d be fine extending him at 11-12m per year, but that’s not going to happen.

Watkins is gone. We just have to hope we get something in return because cutting him shouldn’t be an option.
so you'd be fine with extending him and paying him an average of 2 million less per year than he's scheduled to get next year but stretching it out longer?


that doesnt make much sense to me.
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SAUTO 03:29 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
I can definitely see an argument for selling out for a potential dynasty team now - while we still have Hill and Kelce in their primes. Sign Jones, maybe give Watkins a 2-3 year deal where he gets more guaranteed money but less than $21M a year obviously. Backload Mahomes' contract so the first few years are easy on the cap.

Then about the time Kelce and Hill are slowing down - might have a few years of cleaning house/rebuilding.
watkins doesnt make 21 million next year.

he makes 14, we've already paid him 7 in his signing bonus...
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SAUTO 03:32 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by wachashi:
I am not a cap expert but I thought, if Sammy gets traded, KC is on the hook for the $7 million cap it, and the team that trades for him absorbs the remaining $14 million cap hit. I may be wrong.
thats right.


which i why i dont get that people are crying saying he's making 21 million next year.


he's making 14. the other 7 has already been paid and i'm not sure there is a way to get out from under that.
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MightyMouse 03:37 PM 02-13-2020
Sammy has been dealing with some mental stuff for awhile. Seems like playing for Reid helped him a lot. I don’t think he will be a Chief next year unless he feels being with Reid is worth a huge pay cut. Hopefully he finds happiness in whatever he does
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Easy 6 03:38 PM 02-13-2020
I will only say this...

Sammy is a genuinely likeable guy

Sammy was instrumental throughout the playoffs and big game

But if he, along with others, has to be a cap casualty in order to keep Sacksquatch Jones... then I’m all for it, secure in the belief that Andy and Brett can find a suitable replacement
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Chiefnj2 03:44 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
thats right.


which i why i dont get that people are crying saying he's making 21 million next year.


he's making 14. the other 7 has already been paid and i'm not sure there is a way to get out from under that.
The question is what is better:

1. Watkins with a 21 mil cap hit; or

2. Player X cost plus 7 mil dead money for Watkins.
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BossChief 04:28 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
so you'd be fine with extending him and paying him an average of 2 million less per year than he's scheduled to get next year but stretching it out longer?


that doesnt make much sense to me.
That would make his first year (this year) cap hit drop by about 10m and keep future hits manageable.

Do that and get Jones inked to 5/90

Cut LDT

Re-sign Wis and Pennel...extend Fish and Kelce to clear space.

Draft well.

Repeat championship and aim for next offseason to get Mahomes done.

The cap is going to explode in the new CBA with tons of new money rolling in.
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SAUTO 05:16 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by BossChief:
That would make his first year (this year) cap hit drop by about 10m and keep future hits manageable.

Do that and get Jones inked to 5/90

Cut LDT

Re-sign Wis and Pennel...extend Fish and Kelce to clear space.

Draft well.

Repeat championship and aim for next offseason to get Mahomes done.

The cap is going to explode in the new CBA with tons of new money rolling in.
you’re pushing money.
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Megatron96 06:20 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by Aspengc8:
:-)

Reid's concepts aren't that hard to understand
Uh, it's generally accepted common knowledge that Andy Reid's offensive schemes are among the most complicated in the league . . .
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dlphg9 06:43 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Uh, it's generally accepted common knowledge that Andy Reid's offensive schemes are among the most complicated in the league . . .
This, no clue wtf he's talking about.
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Megatron96 06:46 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
This, no clue wtf he's talking about.
Me neither. Probably from the same talking heads that said that Andy can't read a clock. Basically people that don't understand football on any level past HS. Or think that they know Andy Reid's schemes because they play Madden . . .
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BossChief 06:56 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
you’re pushing money.
Of course I am.

I’m pushing it into years when the cap will explode and there will be a lot more money.

By then deals like Chris Jones for 18-20 will be a fantasy.

Right now the cap is 200m.

In 4-5 years it’s going to be 280-300m.
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Chiefnj2 07:20 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
This, no clue wtf he's talking about.
Aspen is actually one of the few posters on this board who actually knows X’s and O’s.
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