Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz:
Great examples these morons are setting. Good, keep your kid home. They'll probably get infected cause your dumbass doesn't give a shit about covid.
Yes the anti-mask and anti-vax venn diagram is pretty much a concentric circle, which is maddening because that doubles the danger but the brainwashing is real right now.
Media reports of breakthrough cases sometimes leave the impression that the vaccines don't work well against variants. Not so. Public Health England estimates good vaccine effectiveness for both alpha and delta (June 25 update; UK mostly uses AZ.) https://t.co/vK06s563tjpic.twitter.com/rcypunXsdW
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz:
This will help people out since they clearly don't know that 96% effectiveness isn't 100%
I think it shows the reality.
If you are vaxxed, you will probably get covid but 90% are mild / no symptoms. (So the vax works)
If you arent vaxxed, you will probably get covid but 70% are going to be mild / no symptoms. (Not as bad as the media is portraying)
If you arent vaxxed, you have a higher probability than vaxxed people to have a bad experience, (but only 30% of unvaxxed will experience that vs 10% of vaxxed)
severe only happening on the unvaxxed which is in line with the data that hospitalizations are mostly unvaxxed.
What the media is missing though, is that 70% of unvaxxed will be ok with mild to no symptoms, and 90% with at most moderate symptoms. [Reply]
I think people need to understand, Vaxxed or Unvaxxed, you will get Covid. The probability of getting really really sick is low for unvaxxed and basically null for vaxxed.
The other thing that bothers me, is that even if the US is 100% vaxxed, that doesnt stop the strain to evolve or mutate in other parts of the world, the strain will eventually get here as well.
So if we just ensure we are social distancing (regardless of vax or not) and washing our hands / masks / whatever and being more careful - we should all be ok.
No need to shut down anything. just people need to be aware that cases will happen. (as long as death and hospitalizations and long term effects are not as bad as the peak, I think we are winning as a country)
PS: Im not saying you shouldnt get the vax, (90% of my family is vaxxed) I think people pushing / forcing people, or looking down on them is not warranted. Their body, their choice. they know the risks. They are not the reason cases are going up and they are not the reason for all the variants. [Reply]
I've been trying to tell you people for a while now that we are going to have to get a vaccine or booster yearly or bi yearly. Difficult for low iq antivaxxers to wrap that around their head though. They further get upset and put their head in the sand. Reality. You have to deal with it. Keep living in la la land, though. [Reply]
Originally Posted by NotDonger:
The data don't show that at all.
So you think that the 90% asymptomatic people that are vaxxed that have no reason to go get tested, will go get tested, and show up in a data point somewhere to show them as cases? [Reply]
Originally Posted by NotABowserMult:
I'm not sure you're trustworthy enough to be believed. For reasons.
It really doesn't have much to do with me. While the CDC no longer tracks just breakthrough cases, they are still reported breakthrough cases which result in hospitalization and death. Before they stopped, it was well below 1%
Presently showing 5,492 hospitalizations and deaths out of 159 million fully vaccinated:
*1,456 (28%) of 5,189 hospitalizations reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.
†272 (26%) of 1,063 fatal cases reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19. [Reply]
Originally Posted by NotDonger:
It really doesn't have much to do with me. While the CDC no longer tracks just breakthrough cases, they are still reported breakthrough cases which result in hospitalization and death. Before they stopped, it was well below 1%
Presently showing 5,492 hospitalizations and deaths out of 159 million fully vaccinated:
*1,456 (28%) of 5,189 hospitalizations reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.
†272 (26%) of 1,063 fatal cases reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.
Did not realized that we only count Hospitalizations and Death as people having Covid and the data that I presented, shows that there are no severe covid cases among the vaxxed and that is in line with your data. [Reply]
Originally Posted by carlos3652:
So you think that the 90% asymptomatic people that are vaxxed that have no reason to go get tested, will go get tested, and show up in a data point somewhere to show them as cases?
No, I do not. The reported breakthrough cases are certainly an undercount, but not to the point of "everyone including vaccinated" will get COVID-19. [Reply]