Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15:
It's hard to believe how fucking stupid some people are.
The American population in general is extremely stupid. They have no common sense and seem to lack basic understanding. Not everything is fake or news or a hoax, even if you don't think Covid is going to kill you how about you still make smart decisions and error on the side of caution?
I really don't know what happened, it's like a good portion of the country lost all reasonable thinking skills one day. [Reply]
Originally Posted by sedated:
What exactly is the point of this comment?
That there’s a laundry list of preexisting conditions that make people vulnerable to having a severe case. Based on this list, 90% of people have one and many things like high blood pressure is undiagnosed and untreated in many who don’t go to the doctor. We simply don’t know enough about this virus to assume “healthy” people aren’t vulnerable. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Your typical bullshit confirmed my thesis. If another unimpeachable model projection gets handed down from The Experts that suggests C-19 deaths will stop out around 85,000, you'd still be posting "are you okay with 85,000 Americans dying?"
Because it isn't at all about any sort of total number, as you've pointed out by deflecting the fact that using Spanish Flu as a comparison when that outbreak killed <1% of the US population over a year. If C-19 killed the same percentage of the population, that's going to mean somewhere at 3,000,000 people dead at the higher end.
So whatever the actual mortality rate of C-19 is totally irrelevant in your thinking, which you had already demonstrated earlier when you said Sweden's per million death count being 25% higher representing a "worse" figure than deaths per million from the nations which went into lockdown.
As if Sweden having a 24%, 6% or 1% higher fatalities per million would be "better".
Because it isn't about N number of deaths being "okay" with you, Marcellus or anyone posting here: it's about you finding confirmation for your personal narrative and agenda.
The people I'm questioning are those saying that we should open up now. It makes sense in some states, and none in others. So, the people saying open up now in states that aren't declining should have an idea of what is an acceptable number of deaths. Right? Or, are they just not even taking that into consideration?
I used the Spanish Flu to show that person that we have locked down before over a virus, which was a question he asked. Sorry if educating people who ask for it bothers you, I guess.
As I've said, I think the federal plan makes sense. It is reasonable. I also accept the accuracy of the models being used.
Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage:
Deaths are below 1k on Worldometers right now. I don't watch it like a hawk but that seems low for the time of day. Could just be a 1 day outlier
Originally Posted by Mecca:
The American population in general is extremely stupid. They have no common sense and seem to lack basic understanding. Not everything is fake or news or a hoax, even if you don't think Covid is going to kill you how about you still make smart decisions and error on the side of caution?
I really don't know what happened, it's like a good portion of the country lost all reasonable thinking skills one day.
Yup. I'm in a group text with co workers and we were discussing the news that just came out. 1 said we gotta get back to work this thing is just the flu unless you have a compromised system. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by lewdog:
That there’s a laundry list of preexisting conditions that make people vulnerable to having a severe case. Based on this list, 90% of people have one and many things like high blood pressure is undiagnosed and untreated in many who don’t go to the doctor. We simply don’t know enough about this virus to assume “healthy” people aren’t vulnerable.
Ah. Nevermind then, I thought that was going down a different path. Carry on.
I've read some of the weirdest ish about this virus, and it seems about the furthest thing from consistent - from symptoms to deaths to random stuff that pops up weeks or months later. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Yup. I'm in a group text with co workers and we were discussing the news that just came out. 1 said we gotta get back to work this thing is just the flu unless you have a compromised system. :-)
The other thing is we live in a time where we are so saturated with information that lots of people are lazy about it. So they take the few stories they want to hang onto and then hold on to them as the facts.
People heard that flu shit and won't let it go. No matter where you get your news or your information you should do some critical thinking, we seem to have lost that as a society in general. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Yeah it sure is rather odd that out of 379 that were positive none had any symptoms.
Just goes to show we probably have 10's of millions of people walking around with this thing. You can draw from that what you wish.
They still haven't said how many they tested actually were symptomatic. I'm piecing together what I can from news reports, but the symptomatic group was much smaller in comparison to the asymptomatic group.
It was hypothesized by Dr. Williams today that the virus was brought into the plant from someone in KC. But they aren't sure. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
I see that Menards is now requiring masks for everyone in the store. Lowe’s and Home Depot can’t be far behind. I know Hy-Vee is requiring masks for employees. I’m sure this trend will continue among major retailers and I think that is better than government mandates as people are less likely to get upset if it’s each store doing it on their own.
Maybe. There's certainly been a lot of vitriol directed toward Costco for their mask rule that started today, though I always have trouble sifting through "article that pulls a bunch of tweets from a vocal minority to make a point" vs. "there really are a ton of people pissed off." [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
I see that Menards is now requiring masks for everyone in the store. Lowe’s and Home Depot can’t be far behind. I know Hy-Vee is requiring masks for employees. I’m sure this trend will continue among major retailers and I think that is better than government mandates as people are less likely to get upset if it’s each store doing it on their own.
Great. Now we just need a massive training program to teach people the proper way to actually wear those masks and we'll be all set! [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
The other thing is we live in a time where we are so saturated with information that lots of people are lazy about it. So they take the few stories they want to hang onto and then hold on to them as the facts.
People heard that flu shit and won't let it go. No matter where you get your news or your information you should do some critical thinking, we seem to have lost that as a society in general.
Alot of places would close down if the flu was being passed from co worker to co worker. They now think COVID is some political thing and not a contagious virus. [Reply]
Originally Posted by sedated:
Social media happened. Stupidity was always there, just hidden out of sight.
That certainly seemed to bring a bigger rise to it. Now people with really ridiculous thoughts and beliefs find others that agree with them and instead of realizing that was a dumb thought, they think everyone else is wrong.
My sisters husband is a flat earther....he wanted me to watch youtube videos... [Reply]
