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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>Round 1 targets
staylor26 01:33 PM 12-28-2020
WR:

Rashod Bateman, Minnesota
Kadarius Toney, Florida
Terrace Marshall, LSU


TE:

Pat Freiermuth, Penn St.

OL:

Alijah Vera-Tucker, T/G, USC
Liam Eichenberg, T, Notre Dame
Jalen Mayfield, T, Michigan
Samuel Cosmi, T, Texas

DE:

Azeez Ojulari, Georgia
Jaelan Phillips, Miami
Jayson Oweh, Penn St.
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O.city 11:11 AM 01-19-2021
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
No. Pringle is where he is for a reason. If he was a guy that could contribute, he would be.

He's behind not only Hardman but also Robinson.

If both Robinson and Watkins are gone, they need new blood. Pringle is a backup.
As long as Hill and Kelce are here, they're all gonna be fighting for table scraps as those two will and should suck up targets. Hardman needs more, but he should get them next year I'd think as it's sink or swim time.
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staylor26 11:24 AM 01-19-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
As long as Hill and Kelce are here, they're all gonna be fighting for table scraps as those two will and should suck up targets. Hardman needs more, but he should get them next year I'd think as it's sink or swim time.
I just want to make teams pay for defending us the way they do.

Year 3 Hardman, year 2 CEH, improvements on the OL, and a rookie WR like Toney or Marshall would truly make this offense unstoppable.
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O.city 11:33 AM 01-19-2021
Originally Posted by staylor26:
I just want to make teams pay for defending us the way they do.

Year 3 Hardman, year 2 CEH, improvements on the OL, and a rookie WR like Toney or Marshall would truly make this offense unstoppable.
I'm just not sure they'll be able to step right in with the offense being the way it is. I'd be fine either way but I'd probably look at someone in FA as a WR.
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staylor26 11:47 AM 01-19-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
I'm just not sure they'll be able to step right in with the offense being the way it is. I'd be fine either way but I'd probably look at someone in FA as a WR.
If Hardman, as raw as he was, was able to get on the field and be productive as a rookie, I don’t see any reason one of those guys can’t.

I’m with you that it doesn’t have to be in the 1st though. I’d be just as good with Jaelan Phillips and a WR in the 2nd or 3rd. I just look at a team like Pittsburgh and the way they draft/develop WR’s and that’s the model I want to follow.

My biggest argument for it being in the 1st is simply value/BPA.
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htismaqe 12:03 PM 01-19-2021
Originally Posted by staylor26:
If Hardman, as raw as he was, was able to get on the field and be productive as a rookie, I donít see any reason one of those guys canít.

Iím with you that it doesnít have to be in the 1st though. Iíd be just as good with Jaelan Phillips and a WR in the 2nd or 3rd. I just look at a team like Pittsburgh and the way they draft/develop WRís and thatís the model I want to follow.

My biggest argument for it being in the 1st is simply value/BPA.
It depends on who falls because it absolutely is about value and BPA. WR and DE would be my top 2 position targets because of that and where the talent is in this draft.

I know people are desperate to upgrade the o-line but this draft the value is really between mid-2nd and the end of the 3rd. We could maybe get TWO starters if we're patient.
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htismaqe 12:04 PM 01-19-2021
And a guy like Marshall, out of LSU's WR factory, absolutely could play right away.
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staylor26 12:08 PM 01-19-2021
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
It depends on who falls because it absolutely is about value and BPA. WR and DE would be my top 2 position targets because of that and where the talent is in this draft.

I know people are desperate to upgrade the o-line but this draft the value is really between mid-2nd and the end of the 3rd. We could maybe get TWO starters if we're patient.
Yea ideally I think you grab a C somewhere on day 2, and then draft a G, or T with G versatility, on day 3.
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duncan_idaho 02:43 PM 01-19-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
I'm just not sure they'll be able to step right in with the offense being the way it is. I'd be fine either way but I'd probably look at someone in FA as a WR.
But you can't fall into the trap the Packers fell into ... where you decide you have enough weapons and stop re-stocking the candy shop for your generational QB.

If the Chiefs were to add Toney or Marshall, they'd be able to - at worst - find ways to use them Year 1. And they'd be ramping up to full steam in Reid's system by Year 2 and Year 3. Kelce and Hill are going to eventually start declining. Best to have the next star ready and raring to go at that point.
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DaneMcCloud 02:50 PM 01-19-2021
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Kelce and Hill are going to eventually start declining. Best to have the next star ready and raring to go at that point.
Kelce, maybe. Hill? Dude is only 26 and with his speed, it'll be a long, long, long time before he begins to decline.

I mean, look at Emmanuel Sanders. The dude is 33 years old and is still putting up 750-800 yards or more per season.
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DaneMcCloud 02:54 PM 01-19-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
I'm just not sure they'll be able to step right in with the offense being the way it is. I'd be fine either way but I'd probably look at someone in FA as a WR.
The Chiefs aren't going to have any money in order to get a game changing WR in Free Agency.

Plus, the list of Free Agent WR's in 2021 is pretty much garbage, unless they decide to take a risk on a guy that's only worth Vet Minimum.

If that's the case, they'd be better off keeping Robinson because at least the Chiefs know his strengths and weaknesses.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-age...wide-receiver/
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htismaqe 03:04 PM 01-19-2021
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
But you can't fall into the trap the Packers fell into ... where you decide you have enough weapons and stop re-stocking the candy shop for your generational QB.

If the Chiefs were to add Toney or Marshall, they'd be able to - at worst - find ways to use them Year 1. And they'd be ramping up to full steam in Reid's system by Year 2 and Year 3. Kelce and Hill are going to eventually start declining. Best to have the next star ready and raring to go at that point.
Exactly, the Packers should be a cautionary tale for every Chiefs fan. Aaron Rodgers is 37 years old and has been to ONE Super Bowl.
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O.city 03:43 PM 01-19-2021
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
But you can't fall into the trap the Packers fell into ... where you decide you have enough weapons and stop re-stocking the candy shop for your generational QB.

If the Chiefs were to add Toney or Marshall, they'd be able to - at worst - find ways to use them Year 1. And they'd be ramping up to full steam in Reid's system by Year 2 and Year 3. Kelce and Hill are going to eventually start declining. Best to have the next star ready and raring to go at that point.
For sure. I've got no problem always drafting and developing WR's and TE's and such. But I dont' think you have to continually throw high rounders at them as long as you've got this staff. They can develop guys.
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O.city 03:43 PM 01-19-2021
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
The Chiefs aren't going to have any money in order to get a game changing WR in Free Agency.

Plus, the list of Free Agent WR's in 2021 is pretty much garbage, unless they decide to take a risk on a guy that's only worth Vet Minimum.

If that's the case, they'd be better off keeping Robinson because at least the Chiefs know his strengths and weaknesses.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-age...wide-receiver/
They don't need game changers. They need reliable and solid. Someone like Zach Pascal or Willie Snead
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DaneMcCloud 04:37 PM 01-19-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
They don't need game changers. They need reliable and solid. Someone like Zach Pascal or Willie Snead
Pascal has only been in the league for 3 years so he's not going to be available.

Snead is nearly 30 years old and I doubt the Chiefs will shell out $5 million per or whatever his asking price may be when they're going to be in Scramble Mode once the salary cap number has been solidified.
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staylor26 04:42 PM 01-19-2021
Sign Chris Conley AND draft a WR somewhere in the first 2 days.
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