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banyon 10:52 AM 01-23-2020


Updated info:

WORLD

There are currently 3,950,798 confirmed cases and 271,809 deaths from the coronavirus COVID-19 outbreak as of May 8, 2020 15:03 GMT




U.S. Coronavirus Cases

As of May 8, 2020 at 14:58 GMT, there have been 1,295,101 confirmed cases and 77,059 deaths due to coronavirus COVID-19 in the United States.

AL-9,048 (371 deaths)
AK-374 (10 deaths)
AZ-9,945 (450 deaths, 1 recovered)
AR-3,694 (88 deaths)
CA - 62,477 (2,545 deaths, 6 recovered)
CO-18,371 (944 deaths)
CT- 31,784 (2,797 deaths)
DE-5,939 (202 deaths)
DC- 5,654 (285 deaths)
FL-38,828 (1,600 deaths)
GA - 31,679 (1,353 deaths)
HI- 629 (17 deaths)
ID-2,178 (67 deaths)
IL-70,873 (3,111 deaths, 2 recovered)
IN-22,503 (1,414 deaths)
IA-11,457 (243 deaths)
KS-6,359 (168 deaths)
KY- 6,128 (294 deaths, 2 recovered)
LA-30,652 (2,208 deaths)
ME-1,330 (62 deaths)
MD-30,485 (1,560 deaths, 4 recovered)
MA-73,721(4,552 deaths, 1 recovered)
MI-45,646 (4,343 deaths)
MN-9,365 (508 deaths, 24 recovered)
MS-8,686 (396 deaths)
MO-9,561 (454 deaths)
MT-457 (16 deaths)
NE-7,190 (90 deaths)
NV-5,766 (293 deaths)
NH-2,843 (114 deaths)
NJ- 135,106 (8,834 deaths)
NM-4,493 (172 deaths)
NY-337,421 (26,365 deaths)
NC-13,954 (529 deaths)
ND-1,371 (31 deaths)
OH-22,134 (1,274 deaths)
OK-4,330 (260 deaths, 1 recovered)
OR-2,989 (121 deaths)
PA-56,002 (3,592 deaths)
RI-10,779 (399 deaths)
SC-7,142 (316 deaths)
SD-2,905 (31 deaths, 6 recovered)
TN-14,096 (239 deaths)
TX-36,606 (1,030 deaths, 11 recovered)
UT-5,724 (61 deaths)
VT-919 (53 deaths)
VA-22,342 (812 deaths, 1 recovered)
WA-16,943 (904 deaths, 124 recovered)
WV-1,310 (51 deaths)
WI- 9,215 (374 deaths, 1 recovered)
WY-635 (7 deaths)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ate/index.html

US recovered :148,291
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Coyote 10:50 AM 03-08-2020
Bad assumption. Beyond the usual tactic of asking inane, self-serving questions at the cyclic rate, this is providing a self-serving answer to argue with. Bad form.

I don’t think that. If scaling “bad” is the point, I purposefully did not.

Coronavirus is bad.

Any versions of the data show it’s bad. I think the John Hopkins data, updated in this thread at the cyclic rate is the most trustworthy and generally being currently used. I fully accept it.

Fear Mongering is bad. Again not parsed,scaled, or compared to the coronavirus is bad point. The use of data interpretations/correcting/projecting from non virologists ( mathematicians and statisticians is valid. I complained when a clean food specialist and anthropologist used it) The selected users of the interpreteddata were fear mongering.


Cheerleading for coronavirus/fear mongering is bad. The data is the data. It requires no commentary.
Again no rack and stack of “bad “ on purpose. We know from the 1918 Spanish Flu and from our own other experiences, that government and personal cheerleading with (partially known data at this point) data either to minimize or to trigger (your word) folks is more about seeking a desired action than providing the data.
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BWillie 10:55 AM 03-08-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Simply the grim reaper for old people. Its strange. If this virus is political than all of the young people shouldn't care about it and all of the older population should be freaking out. But thats the opposite of what is happening. People who are 60 dont feel like they are old...but this thing could knock them the fuck out.
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banyon 11:02 AM 03-08-2020
Originally Posted by Coyote:
Bad assumption. Beyond the usual tactic of asking inane, self-serving questions at the cyclic rate, this is providing a self-serving answer to argue with. Bad form.

I don’t think that. If scaling “bad” is the point, I purposefully did not.

Coronavirus is bad.

Any versions of the data show it’s bad. I think the John Hopkins data, updated in this thread at the cyclic rate is the most trustworthy and generally being currently used. I fully accept it.

Fear Mongering is bad. Again not parsed,scaled, or compared to the coronavirus is bad point. The use of data interpretations/correcting/projecting from non virologists ( mathematicians and statisticians is valid. I complained when a clean food specialist and anthropologist used it) The selected users of the interpreteddata were fear mongering.


Cheerleading for coronavirus/fear mongering is bad. The data is the data. It requires no commentary.
Again no rack and stack of “bad “ on purpose. We know from the 1918 Spanish Flu and from our own other experiences, that government and personal cheerleading with (partially known data at this point) data either to minimize or to trigger (your word) folks is more about seeking a desired action than providing the data.
My desired action is to contain and minimize the damage from this virus. The “clean food specialist”? Who is making inane points again? She has a PhD in Biology. She admits she is not an epidemiologist. What difference does that make when there are a slew of actual epidemiologists right now making the same predictions about 50-80% spread? Why just make a lazy ad hominem attack? Attack the argument not the person. For someone who fancies himself some type of sophisticant, this is pretty lazy argument.
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Coyote 11:08 AM 03-08-2020
Inane, self-serving questions at the cyclic rate of fire. Answer them then. Triggered? I think is the current talk-speak term. Fitting since it goes with cyclic rate of fire.
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F150 11:10 AM 03-08-2020
Originally Posted by banyon:
My desired action is to contain and minimize the damage from this virus.
Your rhetoric and postings would seem to have obscured your unparalleled effort made to contain and minimize among the readers of CP.

Perhaps you could recap the posts among the 100 plus pages that focus on the recommended actions in the US that have been made? Recognition for the positive efforts to establish best practices at hospitals and for municipal health departments to employ? CDC and WHO efforts to inform?
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banyon 11:16 AM 03-08-2020
Originally Posted by F150:
Your rhetoric and postings would seem to have obscured your unparalleled effort made to contain and minimize among the readers of CP.

Perhaps you could recap the posts among the 100 plus pages that focus on the recommended actions in the US that have been made? Recognition for the positive efforts to establish best practices at hospitals and for municipal health departments to employ? CDC and WHO efforts to inform?
There’s a video linked in the OP thread starter about the actions an individual should take. I recommend you watch it.
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Marcellus 11:37 AM 03-08-2020
Originally Posted by banyon:
Why do people have this view? It seems crazy to me. Eh, so a bunch of old people and people with conditions get wiped out, no biggie.

Do you not have parents? Aunts/uncles? Is this Sparta now? WTF?
Where did I say no biggie? Read the actual words as typed.
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banyon 11:38 AM 03-08-2020
Italy passed S Korea in total cases today. This should be a lesson about a country taking aggressive proactive containment measures. S Korea took them, implemented wide scale testing and tracing of 10k tests per day, set up drive thru testing, isolated and shut down public events.

Italy waited. Today they are announcing lockdowns.
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MagicHef 11:39 AM 03-08-2020
Originally Posted by banyon:
Because China is imposing medieval measures that no one else seems even willing to consider? Democracies may not be able to weld people into their homes.


Also... China may not have been completely honest about their numbers. Just look to the articles where they are ordering empty factors to open to consume electricity to manipulate the perception of economic activity.

But she is not saying the growth curve can’t be affected, she is advocating people not be complacent so we can impact the growth curve (whether she uses the term “r0” or not).



Epidemics don't go on doubling forever, like she models. That's why China's data looks so different from her predictions. The only way China's draconian actions caused the lower numbers is if they completely prevented the virus from spreading outside Wuhan, which is unlikely given what we've seen in other parts of the world.
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BWillie 11:40 AM 03-08-2020
Originally Posted by banyon:
Italy passed S Korea in total cases today. This should be a lesson about a country taking aggressive proactive containment measures. S Korea took them, implemented wide scale testing and tracing of 10k tests per day, set up drive thru testing, isolated and shut down public events.

Italy waited. Today they are announcing lockdowns.
I'm scared that Trump is too proud to implement such measures. It would mean he as wrong. I suppose, how he will save face is to blame Pence for it since he appointed him the one to address it. That was always a lose lose situation for poor VP Pence.
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Marcellus 11:42 AM 03-08-2020
Originally Posted by BWillie:
I'm scared that Trump is too proud to implement such measures. It would mean he as wrong. I suppose, how he will save face is to blame Pence for it since he appointed him the one to address it. That was always a lose lose situation for poor VP Pence.
:-) Trump initiated a travel ban to and from China Feb 5th and Dems said he was over reacting and being racist.

BTW the US military banned troop travel too and from S Korea today.
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SupDock 11:43 AM 03-08-2020
Originally Posted by Coyote:
Bad assumption. Beyond the usual tactic of asking inane, self-serving questions at the cyclic rate, this is providing a self-serving answer to argue with. Bad form.

I don’t think that. If scaling “bad” is the point, I purposefully did not.

Coronavirus is bad.

Any versions of the data show it’s bad. I think the John Hopkins data, updated in this thread at the cyclic rate is the most trustworthy and generally being currently used. I fully accept it.

Fear Mongering is bad. Again not parsed,scaled, or compared to the coronavirus is bad point. The use of data interpretations/correcting/projecting from non virologists ( mathematicians and statisticians is valid. I complained when a clean food specialist and anthropologist used it) The selected users of the interpreteddata were fear mongering.


Cheerleading for coronavirus/fear mongering is bad. The data is the data. It requires no commentary.
Again no rack and stack of “bad “ on purpose. We know from the 1918 Spanish Flu and from our own other experiences, that government and personal cheerleading with (partially known data at this point) data either to minimize or to trigger (your word) folks is more about seeking a desired action than providing the data.

Will you comment on the fact that you interpreted "right censoring" as a political term, and used it to criticize the data I linked?
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BWillie 11:46 AM 03-08-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
That supports exactly what I said. And I believe almost all of those people in the younger ranges below 60 if not all had underlying serious health issues.
2 out of every 1,000 30-39 year olds will die when they get Covid-19.

Not very re-assuring to me. BUT - look up mortality for H1N1 for people of the same age. Not that big of a difference for that age group, even though Covid-19 is a little worse. But Nobody really gives a shit about H1N1 even though it still exists and makes up still a good portion of existing flu cases still today. The staggering issue about this graph is how it exponentially kills old people.

There is really no reason anyone above 60 should leave their house in the coming months. And I'm not overreacting. Shit, even if I was 50-59 and had hypertension or diabetes I might consider self isolating myself.

If this is as widespread as H1N1 is, it's just a matter of time until you or someone you know WELL gets it.
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BWillie 11:49 AM 03-08-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
:-) Trump initiated a travel ban to and from China Feb 5th and Dems said he was over reacting and being racist.

BTW the US military banned troop travel too and from S Korea today.
Okay? I wouldn't be worried about the other countries anymore. We didn't even attempt to get ahead of this at home. We didn't care to even make testing more readily available. There are many cases they told people they wouldn't test them for Covid-19 just because they hadn't been in known contact with someone from another country or traveled. It's been community spreading for a long time. I don't really place a ton of blame on anyone because many other countries weren't doing it as well but unless we are willing to do what China did, this is going to spread and spread and spread.
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Donger 11:50 AM 03-08-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Dems said he was over reacting and being racist.
Which Democrats said he was being racist?
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