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Now that the full 11-minute recording of Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill and his now former fiancee, Crystal Espinal, talking about violence in their relationship has been aired, many fans are saying wow, this changes everything.
It does? That Hill, who didn’t know Espinal was taping him, denies ever hitting her or their son in what he thought was a private conversation is neither surprising nor exculpatory.
Abusers typically tell not only the police but friends, family, therapists, priests and even themselves they’ve never done anything wrong.
And if anything, the fact that Hill now says he didn’t hit punch or choke Espinal in 2014 makes him look worse rather than better. He pleaded guilty to those charges, publicly apologized, went through extensive therapy and declared himself reformed after probation. If he’s now back to saying that none of this ever happened, that’s not just a lie but a worrying one.
“I didn’t touch you in 2014,” he says on the tape. “And put that on everything I love, bro. That’s the real truth.”
That Espinal isn’t screaming at him that no, it’s not the truth, real or otherwise, is taken by some supporters as proof that he is innocent.
But why a woman who has been injured by him before and he’s threatening to hurt again might not do that should be obvious.
When she instead repeatedly asks him where her bruises came from if he never hit her, he doesn’t answer because there isn’t an answer that he likes well enough to repeat.
On Thursday, Espinal filed a petition in Johnson County seeking a paternity test for their newborn twins. She has full custody of them — they live with her — and she is asking for child support and only supervised visits for Hill. Her lawyer in the matter is legal counsel for SAFEHOME, a Johnson County group that supports survivors of domestic violence.
The NFL, meanwhile, seems ready to let Hill off with a brief suspension because the legal case against him isn’t going anywhere, but these things are still true:
Hill’s son was removed from his home after a child abuse investigation was launched. The Johnson County district attorney said the 3-year-old child had been hurt, but he didn’t have enough proof to prosecute.
On the tape, we heard Hill threaten the mother of his children with physical violence: “You need to be scared of me, too, dumb bitch.” He berates and belittles, calls her “bro” and “bitch” and of course, claims she ruined his life.
Denial of all wrongdoing is so standard in abuse cases that just a look at Thursday’s Star provides other examples, including that of Scott Hacker, the now former Parkville police officer charged with domestic violence after allegedly shooting his gun inside his home, throwing the woman who called 911 onto the couch, grabbing her by the throat and blaming her for “ending his career” by calling for help. Both before and after the cops arrived, he said he hadn’t shot the gun or touched her. But oops: A security camera in the living room apparently recorded the assault.
What Espinal was trying to get was the audio equivalent of that video.
If the NFL lets Hill back on the field this season, it will send the message that making threats and showing you’ve learned nothing from probation is no real problem, as long as you can run fast enough. The help he needs is not more denial, but just the opposite.
To the rest of you who are intent on seeing Hill as the victim, KCTV as a villain for not immediately releasing the full tape, and Espinal as a “manipulator” for wanting evidence to back her up in court, we could suggest some reading on the well-researched subject of abuse. But why, when you seem to prefer not to know?
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Don't. Give. These. Mother****ers. Any. More. Clicks.
Never. At all. Not Sam, not a poll, not a game recap.
Nothing - they need to be dead to all of you. And they need to be dead to anyone who considers themselves Chiefs fans.
I cannot for the life of me understand how anybody on this board, a board dedicated to the Chiefs, can comfortably maintain even a passing associating with the Kansas City Star.
OR we can continually email and twitter their ass calling them liars,fake news reporters and fucking assholes. [Reply]
The main thing is to eliminate the value that paper has for advertisers. It starts with subscriptions. Then you starve them of clicks and views. Then you take all the papers out of the street boxes (do they still have those?) and throw them in the trash.
Given the state of their business, they can't have a lot of runway left.
Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin:
OR we can continually email and twitter their ass calling them liars,fake news reporters and fucking assholes.
You realize they don't care, right?
That's the problem. They think you're a mindless rube. A dipshit midwestern wife-beater who sits at home surrounded by empty beer cans and kicks your pets/children/women when you run out of Busch heavy.
They get your emails and laugh at you. If anything has become apparent here it's that they WANT your anger. When they get it, they believe they're right. It's akin to me scolding my child and she just sluffs it off; makes me pretty sure I didn't do it right. Your reaction tells them that they're striking the right nerve.
The only thing that will make a difference to these wannabe cosmopolitan pricks is silence.
Give them !@#$ing nothing.
Sure, for the immediate future you can spar with them a bit so long as you do so publicly in a way that may encourage others to follow suit. And generally in a productive manner (don't just call Pryor a fatshit and Rosen a outstanding citizen, for instance).
But the long-game here is clear. We all have to cut the cord with these fucking hacks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I know you're not running the board these days (I'm not sure if you ever were) but I'd pony up a donation to the Save our Server fund if we can make this happen.
I don't trust these white devils to contain themselves. We're not well known for our impulse control 'round these parts...
It's just unbelievably galling. They're not even trolling - they're just flat out antagonizing now. I can't wrap my head around it.
With an ad-blocker on, do the page views do anything for them? They need subscriptions, and I'm pretty confident that these social justice op/eds will cost them more subscriptions than they will generate. I'm not sure it's even about page views -- these addicts care more about virtue signaling than paper's bottom line. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Don't. Give. These. Motherfuckers. Any. More. Clicks.
Never. At all. Not Sam, not a poll, not a game recap.
Nothing - they need to be dead to all of you. And they need to be dead to anyone who considers themselves Chiefs fans.
I cannot for the life of me understand how anybody on this board, a board dedicated to the Chiefs, can comfortably maintain even a passing associating with the Kansas City Star.
Yup. I'm generally not a "Don't click" guy, as i enjoy hating people for what they write.
But in this case, they're doing it simply for the clicks. Nope. Not clicking that shit.
The Star is dead to me. In my mind, I will assume that they went out of business on July 19, 2019. That's probably only a couple of years off anyway. [Reply]
ChiefsPlanet membership is probably an infinitesimally small percentage of their readership.
The key to their destruction is the demise of their subscriber base. No subs ... no ad revenue. No ad revenue ... no Star. Therefore, what we need is a plan to convince half of their paper and digital subs to cancel.
Maybe we need to fly another airplane over 1 Arrowhead Drive calling for the Chiefs to blacklist the Star. That might help. Or maybe we could organize a gofundme drive in which we donate money to Mahomes' foundation for each Star cancellation receipt.
The point is, we can have no significant effect on the Star by ourselves. We do not have the Powah. Given that sad fact, we need to be creative.
(And not forget that rat nest at KCTV5, by the way.)
