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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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O.city 03:12 PM 06-03-2020
Originally Posted by sedated:
If it didn't spread from Lake of the Ozarks, seems there are 3 options: being outside in the sun/heat killed the virus pretty effectively 2) it has mutated to be less potent as was rumored from Italy 3) the people that attended are all young and don't show symptoms.
It also hasn't been quite 2 weeks yet.

By next week, we'll know.
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petegz28 03:19 PM 06-03-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
It also hasn't been quite 2 weeks yet.

By next week, we'll know.
I thought the 14 day thing had been debunked and is now like 11 days?
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sedated 03:35 PM 06-03-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I thought the 14 day thing had been debunked and is now like 11 days?
I thought it was 5 days to show symptoms and 14 days to recover.

But every day there seems to be new information or some outlier set of symptoms, at this point if I grew a dick out of my forehead and my Dr. said it was COVID, I'd probably believe it.
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TLO 04:09 PM 06-03-2020
Originally Posted by sedated:
I thought it was 5 days to show symptoms and 14 days to recover.

But every day there seems to be new information or some outlier set of symptoms, at this point if I grew a dick out of my forehead and my Dr. said it was COVID, I'd probably believe it.
I think symptom onset is generally within 4-5 days on average. (As few as 2, as many as 14)
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RustShack 04:24 PM 06-03-2020
There’s a couple scenarios about the Ozarks though. Maybe no one there had it/had already had it since it’s been around for awhile now. They did get it but are one of the many who haven’t shown symptoms, or they have it and it’s mild and haven’t been to the dr yet.
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tyecopeland 06:18 PM 06-03-2020
Covid is over. The weather channel app took its covid information section down for hurricane information.
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petegz28 06:36 PM 06-03-2020
Number of active cases has made a lower low for the first time since all this started. I hope this isn't because of all the shit going on. This is the first time we have moved lower, bounced back then moved below the previous low (lower low).
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Mr_Tomahawk 08:37 PM 06-03-2020
Wut
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BleedingRed 08:44 PM 06-03-2020
http://archive.is/cloVY#selection-1685.0-1693.323
WHO has resumed studies of hydroxychloroquine btw............

After they realized the Study published by Two of the world’s leading medical journals – the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine – published studies based on Surgisphere data. The studies were co-authored by the firm’s chief executive, Sapan Desai.

The World Health Organization and a number of national governments have changed their Covid-19 policies and treatments on the basis of flawed data from a little-known US healthcare analytics company, also calling into question the integrity of key studies published in some of the world’s most prestigious medical journals.
A Guardian investigation can reveal the US-based company Surgisphere, whose handful of employees appear to include a science fiction writer and an adult-content model, has provided data for multiple studies on Covid-19 co-authored by its chief executive, but has so far failed to adequately explain its data or methodology.


PAGING HAMAS!!!!!
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BleedingRed 08:51 PM 06-03-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
He starts by asking for something that is in the works--an RCT. The WHO, your boogeyman, is conducting a five-armed RCT right now called the SOLIDARITY Trial. The very trial that he's asking for just stopped recruitment in the hydroxychloroquine arm due to concerns over safety and efficacy--that is--they are stopping early because the results are so bad that it is likely not worth continuing.

With that said, observational trials are not "bad science" as he claims. That shows a complete misunderstanding of what science is. Observational trials have limitations, and those limitations are greater than one finds in an RCT. That's why we strive for RCTs. But in cases where we don't yet have the time, funding, or ability to initiate and compile the data for said RCTs, observational trials still have value, and several of them together, have greater value.

The errors in the Lancet study that were caught are an indication of the value of peer review. While it would be nice to have a perfect study, those of us that look at these often will tell you that there is no such thing, which is why they are looked over in such exacting detail given the consequences. Those errors are also comparatively minor and did not affect the underlying conclusions or hazard ratios in any meaningful fashion.

If you don't believe the Lancet study, then you are more than welcome to look at studies published in the New England Journal and JAMA, each of which had thousands of patients enrolled and found no benefit to hydroxychloroquine use.

Or, you can use Raoult's study with 22 people with mysterious attrition in six and no control group or Peak Prosperity.

By the way, here is your "source" talking about bad science:

https://www.peakprosperity.com/bombs...uci-connected/

A conspiracy theorist website claiming that Fauci could be connected to the creation of SARS-CoV-2 in a lab, urging its visitors to invest in gold. Taco John would be proud.

But yeah, we're the arrogant ones, not the guy who has no ****ing clue what he's talking about, tutting-tutting this bullshit.
Yeah no bias here :-):-):-):-):-)
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BleedingRed 08:53 PM 06-03-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Science works on a pretty clear dictum in this case: you must reject the null hypothesis.

The null hypothesis for all therapeutics is that hydoxychloroquine has no efficacy for the treatment of COVID-19.

What evidence can you find that rejects the null hypothesis?

I, again, can point to large, observational trials using over 10,000 patients in each case that have been conducted all over the world. They have been published here, here, and here. Every one of them failed to reject the null hyptothesis.

I have spoken at length about the limitations of observational trials, in fact, I seem to remember someone complaining about me bringing it up.
Who was that? Oh yeah:

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Regarding the rest of your post, it's hard to take it very seriously when you conflate therapeutics, which concerns the efficacy of pharmacological interventions, with epidemiology, which is about the spread and control of disease.

I'll say again: what is biased about going off the evidence as presented in these trials?
Trail presented by Adult content models, and science fiction writers XD
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petegz28 09:09 PM 06-03-2020
Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk:
Wut
It's part of trend following. Think of a stock chart. If a stock is in a down trend the peaks and troughs it makes are lower and lower. Meaning each low is lower than the previous low.

So in this case it's an indication that we might, hopefully see a down trend beginning in active cases. I fear though it's lag in counting because of all the assholes tearing shit up everywhere.
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Rain Man 09:19 PM 06-03-2020
Originally Posted by tyecopeland:
Covid is over. The weather channel app took its covid information section down for hurricane information.
Aren't we supposed to shelter in place for hurricanes too, though? Or wait - maybe we're supposed to travel for hurricanes.

I live 500 miles from a coast. I really have no idea what I'm supposed to do here.
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petegz28 09:20 PM 06-03-2020
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Aren't we supposed to shelter in place for hurricanes too, though? Or wait - maybe we're supposed to travel for hurricanes.

I live 500 miles from a coast. I really have no idea what I'm supposed to do here.
Go outside and take pictures for us to enjoy.
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Jesus Christ 09:55 PM 06-03-2020
Originally Posted by tyecopeland:
Covid is over.
Not until you little weirdos down here stop shoving your penises in each other's assholes or until you cancel The View.
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