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Eleazar 09:58 PM 04-25-2019
If the Chiefs care about honor and decency, Tyreek Hill can’t be part of this team

BY VAHE GREGORIAN
April 25, 2019 10:31 PM,
Updated 20 minutes ago

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/sp...229705219.html


The instantly infamous audio clip of Tyreek Hill and Crystal Espinal that KCTV-5 aired on Thursday night stood for many things at once.

It was a lens onto a chilling side of Hill, whose response to being told their 3-year-old son is terrified of him was, “You need to be terrified of me, too, bitch.” It was an appalling glimpse at what several sources have told The Star is a toxic relationship.

And her disturbing reference to covering for him with authorities (“I rode for you,” as she put it) was a window into the sorts of obstacles to which Johnson County district attorney Steve Howe seemed to be alluding on Thursday. That’s when he said a crime had been committed when it came their son, who The Star reported had suffered a broken arm among other injuries, but suggested he couldn’t bring charges because the couple had conspired to stonewall a month-long investigation.

Perhaps most of all, the excerpt from a recording Espinal reportedly made while the couple was walking in the Dubai International Airport also was a moment of tangible clarity and, in fact, a favor to the Chiefs.

Unless they are morally bankrupt, it’s easy now.

If they care about what they stand for, if they care about the community, if they care about victims of abuse and their families who already had to be conflicted watching this previously convicted man cavort on the field, Hill can’t be part of this team.

It’s that simple: If they care about honor and decency, Hill can’t be part of this team.

Even after Howe’s extraordinary news conference, there was scant room for equivocation or rationalization about Hill unless they were bent on denial or creating smokescreens around the real issue.

Which they could well have been, given that Hill is their second-most dynamic offensive player behind Patrick Mahomes and arguably fundamental to their ambitions of playing in the Super Bowl for the first time in half a century.

Sure, the Chiefs are in business to compete, not be a pillar of virtue. Those worlds can collide, and it can be complicated. Or as reader Dan Curry eloquently put it in an email on Thursday: “We want them to be a beacon of honor, but they’re also a business where that beacon shines on winning from the thousands of fans who follow them.”

But the spotlight now is on what looms as a trend for this franchise, which cut running back Kareem Hunt last fall only after video surfaced of him knocking over and shoving a woman months before and emphasized it was for lying.

Earlier this week, the Chiefs traded for Seattle defensive end Frank Clark, who was involved in a domestic violence incident in 2014 that led to him being dismissed from the Michigan football team.

Sure, it’s hard to have a one-size-fits-all policy. And we can’t be so cynical that we don’t believe in second chances, can we?

Just the same, this is a franchise that should feel more duty-bound than most to be sensitive to domestic violence in the wake of the 2012 murder of Kasandra Perkins by linebacker Jovan Belcher, who then killed himself in the parking lot outside the Chiefs’ training facility.

When the Chiefs drafted Hill in 2016, a few months after he pleaded guilty to domestic assault and battery by strangulation of the then-pregnant Espinal, I touched base with Perkins’ mother, Becky Gonzalez.

“I heard the story: It’s disheartening to see another case of money over morals,” Becky Gonzalez, the grandmother to orphaned baby Zoey, said via text message. “They (the NFL) do whatever damage control is necessary at the time to appease (the) public but never take a stance.

“I hope they don’t end up regretting their decision.”

For a while, their decision looked good. While Hill was emerging as a human blur and one of the most exciting players anyone has ever seen, he also by all accounts was conducting himself with exemplary behavior.

When his three-year deferred sentence ended last August and Hill had completed all of his court-mandated requirements, Hill’s conviction in Payne County, Okla., was expunged. And it was heartening to hear what county assistant DA for domestic violence Debra Vincent said.

“Who’s to say that this wasn’t life-changing in how he looked at that part of his life?” she said in a phone interview at the time.

But Vincent also reminded me of the truth that was always lurking: She warned that the work he’d done to date was no guarantee of future behavior. Because his progress could only be measured over a lifetime, not a few years — just as concerned local domestic abuse experts warned when the Chiefs drafted Hill and trumpeted their vetting and urged us all to trust them.

And that’s the other favor this sad situation has done for the Chiefs. It stands as a statement that they need to change their attitude about this, not to mention their system.

When they said “trust us” and implied they knew better than the experts and said they had thoroughly vetted him and that they have their own in-house ways of working with these situations, they didn’t know what they didn’t know.

Now they need to own up to that and revisit how they do this part of the business, perhaps with a dose of transparency involved, lest they continue to go down this path and have reason to regret it again.

Vahe Gregorian has been a sports columnist for The Kansas City Star since 2013 after 25 years at the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. He has covered a wide spectrum of sports, including 10 Olympics. Vahe was an English major at the University of Pennsylvania and earned his master’s degree at Mizzou.
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notorious 11:17 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll:
Week one of the preseason, right?
Not quite harsh enough. I want to really drop the hammer on him.
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BlackOp 11:19 AM 04-26-2019
Fax...people like black and white situations. It makes judgment a lot easier. Life is never that simple...
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listopencil 11:30 AM 04-26-2019
If the NFL cared about "honor and decency" they'd have a contingency plan for stuff like this. Assuming it's true, something like:


The team and the league get together and make the call.


The player is suspended for a duration agreed upon by the team owner and the commissioner.


The player is suspended without pay and his salary does not count against the team's cap.


The player remains on the team's inactive roster for the suspension with no roster penalty to the team.


Once the suspension is served the team may waive the player without salary cap repercussions if the team chooses to do so, citing a breach of contract according to a morals clause that is mandated to be in every NFL contract.


Once the suspension is served the team may reinstate the player under the same contract with that portion of his contract considered paid out but having no salary cap repercussions.
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FAX 11:31 AM 04-26-2019
LOL ... Holier-Than-Thou is a high standard to meet. At least, for heathens like me.

"You have questions? You like objectivity? You stinking abuse-lover! Don't accuse me of not hating abuse more than anybody, you abuse-enabler!"

Tu quoque arguments are the worst.

FAX
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FAX 11:33 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by listopencil:
If the NFL cared about "honor and decency" they'd have a contingency plan for stuff like this. Assuming it's true, something like:


The team and the league get together and make the call.


The player is suspended for a duration agreed upon by the team owner and the commissioner.


The player is suspended without pay and his salary does not count against the team's cap.


The player remains on the team's inactive roster for the suspension with no roster penalty to the team.


Once the suspension is served the team may waive the player without salary cap repercussions if the team chooses to do so, citing a breach of contract according to a morals clause that is mandated to be in every NFL contract.


Once the suspension is served the team may reinstate the player under the same contract with that portion of his contract considered paid out but having no salary cap repercussions.
Add some mandatory counseling and that actually makes a lot of sense.

FAX
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listopencil 11:35 AM 04-26-2019
Shit, give the team a comp pick too if it happens to help make up for the sunk cost. Whatever. Make it easier to cut scumbags loose. Eliminate, as much as possible, the downside of doing it.
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Gravedigger 11:36 AM 04-26-2019
Each player's scenario is different, Tyreek is different from Jevon Belcher, Tyreek is different from Frank Clark. To say that the Kansas City Chiefs can never take a chance on these guys; because if they pan out then the Chiefs are congratulated for their compassion to let someone get a second chance, if they aren't though the Chiefs are a terrible organization who only takes on thugs and criminals. People need to start recognizing that this is all Tyreek's story. The Chiefs opened the door, and he has to walk the path. They aren't his parents, they aren't his pastors, they're his employers and in some cases friends. If I vouch for a friend, and he does something stupid like he did back in his college days, I hold no regret for vouching for him, it was his mistake that led him to this. I tried to give him the opportunity and he squandered it. If the NFL didn't give second chances to men everyday, then the league wouldn't exist as it is today.
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listopencil 11:36 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by FAX:
Add some mandatory counseling and that actually makes a lot of sense.

FAX



It occurred to me but I think that'd have to be a case by case basis. Should be part of the talk between the owner and the commissioner.
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burt 11:37 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by FAX:
Add some mandatory counseling and that actually makes a lot of sense.

FAX
Given the Hunt debacle.... Morally, football wise...I agree with this. Let the NFL levy their punishment. BUT man up for the child and the Chiefs. I assume there are actual grounds per his contract to fire/cut him... then another team has the fastest human in the NFL. And the child is no better off. Sit him down and explain...we could fire you. INSTEAD, you WILL go to constant therapy, you WILL have supervision, this is how you stay in the NFL. No debate.

Stand up for the child. Get Tyreek help. And don't dismiss a great player. That is a win.

Alter boys aren't going to take you to a SB. But taking care of your employees and their families just might. Hell, we all have our demons.... If I were in Reeks situation, I would gladly accept help. And a paycheck.
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PatsWinAgain 11:37 AM 04-26-2019
Long time lurker, first time poster here.

I just wanna say you that a good vast majority of posters here(on CP) are f*****g horrible people. No better than Tyreek himself. The guy who has a past of domestic violence has pretty much has admitted to breaking his kid’s arm. I question the logic & humanity of the people visiting this site. It’s mind boggling how anyone can try to spin it in any other way. POS fans deserves POS players.
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Jimkcchief88 11:37 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by BlackOp:
Honor and decency have netted this team exactly ZERO Superbowl appearances in 50 years...

I just remembered what drew me to becoming a football fan...the private lives of the players!

I was SOOO interested in what they did in the off-season, who they dated, their relationship spats...what they ate. What they wore when they got off the plane...

The NFL took DOD under the table money to force patriotic displays before games...what honor is he referencing again...the fake one that the media has created? The one that ignores that Big Ben raped a woman while his security watched the door? Oh I get it...it happened long enough ago that it doesn't matter...

A bunch of double standard horseshit....

The Patriots and Broncos have won SBs while cheating...did I inadvertently just join the Boy Scouts...the media tells me I did.
Yup I’m trying to see the Chiefs win a Super Bowl before I die and I turn 50 next year.
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notorious 11:40 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by PatsWinAgain:
Long time lurker, first time poster here.

I just wanna say you that a good vast majority of posters here(on CP) are f*****g horrible people. No better than Tyreek himself. The guy who has a past of domestic violence has pretty much has admitted to breaking his kid’s arm. I question the logic & humanity of the people visiting this site. It’s mind boggling how anyone can try to spin it in any other way. POS fans deserves POS players.
Your coach drafted a person waaaay worse than Hill even though he was warned by his best friend in Urban Meyer.

Nobody is clean, so go **** yourself.
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FAX 11:40 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by PatsWinAgain:
Long time lurker, first time poster here.

I just wanna say you that a good vast majority of posters here(on CP) are f*****g horrible people. No better than Tyreek himself. The guy who has a past of domestic violence has pretty much has admitted to breaking his kid’s arm. I question the logic & humanity of the people visiting this site. It’s mind boggling how anyone can try to spin it in any other way. POS fans deserves POS players.
Thank you for your participation.

(BTW, do you know where a fella can get a cheap tug job?)

FAX
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listopencil 11:40 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by PatsWinAgain:
Long time lurker, first time poster here.

I just wanna say you that a good vast majority of posters here(on CP) are f*****g horrible people. No better than Tyreek himself.

You're a stupid fuck. Go fuck yourself.
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Jimkcchief88 11:41 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by PatsWinAgain:
Long time lurker, first time poster here.

I just wanna say you that a good vast majority of posters here(on CP) are f*****g horrible people. No better than Tyreek himself. The guy who has a past of domestic violence has pretty much has admitted to breaking his kid’s arm. I question the logic & humanity of the people visiting this site. It’s mind boggling how anyone can try to spin it in any other way. POS fans deserves POS players.
Keep lurking....Robert Kraft was getting a rub and tug the morning of the AFC Championship game. Not only that he gets caught up in a federal sex trafficking investigation. But that’s ok because the Pats own ESPN and Roger Godell so it’s a non story. GTFO
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