Originally Posted by Direckshun:
A delusion, perhaps.
Inclusivity and diversity are generally American values.
Exclusion and inclusion are both American values. Exclude as many for as long as you can do so, and then let everyone in so they'll think that it's something great even though it's been watered down, or wasn't that great to begin with [Reply]
Originally Posted by banecat:
Exclusion and inclusion are both American values. Exclude as many for as long as you can do so, and then let everyone in so they'll think that it's something great even though it's been watered down, or wasn't that great to begin with
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
There doesn't need to be any resistance to these developments, guys.
Some of the absolute best characters in the superhero universe are women. There is nothing wrong with inclusion, so long as the writing remains strong.
I'll counter some of the incorrect intuition we've seen in this thread with some of my own: I'm guessing the dudes disputing this are often just old. If you're old, comics were run by men, written for boys, and largely monolithic.
If you're under the age of 40, however, you'll see that the growing female boon in comic and comics films sales have been growing like gangbusters over the last 20 years.
And, honestly, if any part of you like comic books and comic book culture, you will have women to thank going forward. Because women are the ones who will save the industry.
How did your link come by their numbers? Care to answer that?
You can find some information at least how Nielsen(yeah, that really good marketing firm) actually did theirs. This is just from doing a quick search and I am guessing if anyone cared to dig in a little more that could find all the information. https://icv2.com/articles/comics/vie...lapsed-readers
You don't just get to throw out numbers and say they are right. We have already been over this. I don't know how DeFace keeps falling for that bullshit.
Also it is grouping shit in together. You mentioned only comic books. [Reply]
I'm sorry. I'm a dance, monkey, dance person. I don't want to hear the political or religious opinions of any actor, musician, or athlete that I agree with. So I probably don't want to hear some spoiled girl cry because she's paid millions of dollars to play make believe for a living either that I disagree with [Reply]
Originally Posted by banecat:
I'm sorry. I'm a dance, monkey, dance person. I don't want to hear the political or religious opinions of any actor, musician, or athlete that I agree with. So I probably don't want to hear some spoiled girl cry because she's paid millions of dollars to play make believe for a living either that I disagree with
That’s... not what she was doing.
She’s bemoaning the lack of diversity in her industry. That’s perfectly reasonable.
Why have you now twice misstated the point she was raising? This is getting weird. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Who ever thought super heroes had to be male? What does being a super hero have to do with human gender?
Nothing.
In comix Marvel has female dominated stories for decades. Saying comics were sexist is just political garbage done for attention.
Now, have the movies been as open to female heroes as the comix? I'd say no. I think women have a point there. For whatever reason that equality you saw in the comix didn't translate to the big screen. That's a Hollywood problem - not a comix problem.
When actors start talking about diversity in good roles I'm with you. When they take that dumb ass step of blaming fans (who don't make films) for why you lose me... [Reply]
In comix Marvel has female dominated stories for decades. Saying comics were sexist is just political garbage done for attention.
Now, have the movies been as open to female heroes as the comix? I'd say no. I think women have a point there. For whatever reason that equality you saw in the comix didn't translate to the big screen. That's a Hollywood problem - not a comix problem.
When actors start talking about diversity in good roles I'm with you. When they take that dumb ass step of blaming fans (who don't make films) for why you lose me...
That's a civil reply to BRC's ham handed attempt at virtue signaling. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
That’s... not what she was doing.
She’s bemoaning the lack of diversity in her industry. That’s perfectly reasonable.
Why have you now twice misstated the point she was raising? This is getting weird.
I apologize that you don't like my oversimplification. Lack of diversity. What does she mean by that? Not enough homosexuals? Not enough minorities? not enough women?
I say way too many elitists. Is she counting? Why does it matter? She's the one making it about identity. It's her problem, and not everyone else's. Give her what she wants so that she'll be quite, or put a dick in her mouth or a snatch if she's that way [Reply]
Originally Posted by banecat:
Lack of diversity. What does she mean by that? Not enough homosexuals? Not enough minorities? not enough women?
I say way too many elitists. Is she counting? Why does it matter? She's the one making it about identity. It's her problem, and not everyone else's. Give her what she wants so that she'll be quite, or put a dick in her mouth or a snatch if she's that way
Your sexist trolling aside, she clearly means not enough minorities or women. Clearly. She specifically mentioned race and gender.
That's a problem that affects more than Brie Larson; it affects more than half the people looking to get into her industry: people who are not white males.
You're simply upset that she's pointing it out, for whatever reason, but probably sexism. [Reply]
