Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
What were you saying about talking down to people?
I don't give a shit about Hamas' tone. He seems to know what he's taking about when it comes to some very specific medical issues. He seems to be pretty clear when he gets into a subject he doesn't know about.
AC have you ever even slightly modified your initial opinion on any subject based on new information - in the history of this forum? All I ever see is you endlessly going back and forth and refusing to ever budge an inch, even when it becomes pretty obvious you're in the wrong, all with the same haughty condescension that no one else on the forum knows what they're talking about but you. Donger is the only one I've ever seen who can outlast you. I feel like you vs. Donger is going to make the universe implode someday.
You are correct in saying that individuals will be notified of their test results relatively quickly. Dr. Williams said they contact local health departments within an hour of having a positive test reported. Not sure of the turn around on negative tests.
However the backlog comes into play due to the fact that they have so much data to enter, and up until a couple of days ago, a lack of man power to enter said data into the database. They are slogging through thousands if not tens of thousands of cases per day to enter into the system.
The health depts report them immediately.
Look on the kshb covid tracker. They are on top of it. Accurate. And within days of the health dept's announcements.
They have people keeping up with every country's dept. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
I know a lot of you don't like this guy/gal, but I can verify the data in terms of Missouri. He/she does seem to have some knowledge.
Yes... The top ten states who will accumulate a bunch of cases and report them all in one day, and create a media sensation... pic.twitter.com/R3QsSBwKKz
Originally Posted by AustinChief:
Please provide an example, like I did with Hamas. Or are you just spouting off with nothing to back your claims up... like you so always do. (See how easy it is to cast aspersions without corroboration)
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Your recent 20 round match with donger in this thread over whatever it was.
Your ridiculous takes that smoking bans and seatbelt laws have somehow eroded our democracy.
The rest are so far in the past I don't remember. I just know you're one of the most stubborn posters I've ever come across in over 20 years on the internet.
You could always provide an example of a time you budged off your initial position in a debate here - which would at least prove me wrong that you've never done it once. When someone outlasts you is when I usually take it as a tacit admission that you feel they might have a point. [Reply]
You are correct in saying that individuals will be notified of their test results relatively quickly. Dr. Williams said they contact local health departments within an hour of having a positive test reported. Not sure of the turn around on negative tests.
However the backlog comes into play due to the fact that they have so much data to enter, and up until a couple of days ago, a lack of man power to enter said data into the database. They are slogging through thousands if not tens of thousands of cases per day to enter into the system.
It’s still 48 hour turnaround time at the longest here which is good [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Your recent 20 round match with donger in this thread over whatever it was.
Your ridiculous takes that smoking bans and seatbelt laws have somehow eroded our democracy.
The rest are so far in the past I don't remember. I just know you're one of the most stubborn posters I've ever come across in over 20 years on the internet.
You could always provide an example of a time you budged off your initial position in a debate here - which would at least prove me wrong that you've never done it once. When someone outlasts you is when I usually take it as a tacit admission that you feel they might have a point.
Wow, you're an idiot. You want me to admit I was "wrong" on ideological issues that you disagree with... do you understand how any of this works?
Donger and others have taken a dogmatic stance against herd immunity, mostly based on faulty assumptions that are now being shown as such. I simply think more lives would have been saved and with a higher quality of life had we taken a vastly different approach. It will be a year or two before we have anything resembling "proof" on who was right.
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Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Covid Tracking Project showing 1400 deaths today highest since Mid May.
Yep. Between CA, FL and TX they have over 600 of those. We are just under 200 more deaths this Wednesday compared to last Wednesday so while we are rising we aren't spiking.
As cases have been rolling off in those states for a couple of weeks now we have to hope the deaths start doing the same soon. [Reply]
Originally Posted by AustinChief:
Wow, l you're an idiot. You want me to admit I was "wrong" on ideological issues that you disagree with... do you understand how any of this works?
Finger and others have taken a dogmatic stance against herd immunity, mostly based on faulty assumptions that are now being shown as such. I simply think more lives would have been saved and with a higher quality of life had we taken a vastly different approach. It will be a year or two before we have anything resembling "proof" on who was right.
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So non-condescending. Not like that a-hole Hamas. We don't like his tone around here.
It seemed pretty obvious to me that donger had the logic and facts on his side in that debate and you were the one sticking to your ideological dogmatic point. I don't have an ideological angle when it comes to covid. I just want to understand it and try to figure out what's going to happen next.
I gave you examples like you asked. You were the one who started this by coming down all condescending on me out of the blue - just because I wanted to hear Hamas' take on some studies. Which is extra ironic because you were supposedly blasting Hamas for his condescending attitude. You could always acknowledge that was kind of dickish and surprise the hell out of me. :-) Other than that I'll stop now because I know you won't. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
So non-condescending. Not like that a-hole Hamas. We don't like his tone around here.
It seemed pretty obvious to me that donger had the logic and facts on his side in that debate and you were the one sticking to your ideological dogmatic point. I don't have an ideological angle when it comes to covid. I just want to understand it and try to figure out what's going to happen next.
I gave you examples like you asked. You were the one who started this by coming down all condescending on me out of the blue - just because I wanted to hear Hamas' take on some studies. Which is extra ironic because you were supposedly blasting Hamas for his condescending attitude. You could always acknowledge that was kind of dickish and surprise the hell out of me. :-) Other than that I'll stop now because I know you won't.
You are right that I came at you out of left field but it just seemed extremely rude for you to hang off Hamas' nuts when o.city is here offering far more insightful and measured takes(without being a prick about it)
Sorry for jumping on you but that's how I took it
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Originally Posted by AustinChief:
You are right that I came at you out of left field but it just seemed extremely rude for you to hang off Hamas' nuts when o.city is here offering far more insightful and measured takes(without being a prick about it)
Sorry for jumping on you but that's how I took it
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I think Hamas is trained in peer reviewing trials /studies and has been very helpful understanding them. Which probably Suzzer mentioned him, as a Radio Pharmacist I wouldn’t consider him some random drug store guy either.
O’ cities contributions have been exceptional as well but in a different capacity. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Your recent 20 round match with donger in this thread over whatever it was.
Your ridiculous takes that smoking bans and seatbelt laws have somehow eroded our democracy.
The rest are so far in the past I don't remember. I just know you're one of the most stubborn posters I've ever come across in over 20 years on the internet.
You could always provide an example of a time you budged off your initial position in a debate here - which would at least prove me wrong that you've never done it once. When someone outlasts you is when I usually take it as a tacit admission that you feel they might have a point.
Oh I remember those smoking ban discussions with AC. I schooled him and embarrassed him so bad he banned me for a week.
