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Nzoner's Game Room>Can we go ahead and lock in the top 3 picks?
staylor26 04:27 PM 11-23-2020
I know it seems very early to be saying this, but I think you can just go ahead and lock in the top 3 teams and their picks. It seems very obvious at this point.

1. New York Jets- Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson

The Jets have now blown their 2 best opportunities to win a game. I think they finish 0-16 barring a miracle. I know people think Lawrence might pull an Elway/Eli, but they said the same thing about Burrow last year. The Jets will get a new HC (possibly EB) and they’ll end up with Lawrence at the end of the day.

2. Jacksonville Jaguars- Justin Fields, QB, Ohio St.

The Jags can afford to lose a game and still hold the #2 pick. Like the Jets, I don’t think they even win another game. QB is also the obvious pick for this team and I actually think they’re the most likely destination for EB because they already have weapons on offense and key pieces on D.

3. Cincinnati Bengals- Penei Sewell, OT, Oregon

The Bengals are absolutely fucked for the rest of the season. I also don’t really see them winning another game, but unlike the Jags and Jets there are a couple winnable games left on their schedule. They just have the feel of a team that lost all hope the second their QB and leader went down yesterday. If they end up with the #3 pick like I expect, this is a no-brainer. Sewell is arguably the best player in the draft and there’s no way they pass on him after what just happened to Burrow in a game where their OL was getting destroyed.
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Gary Cooper 05:47 PM 11-23-2020
Originally Posted by Easy 6:
If I'm Lawrence, I pull an Elway/Manning and refuse to go to NY unless two conditions are met... those conditions being a new GM and HC with positive track records

Anything less than that and I go back to school
The problem is, how do you know who's picking first next season? It may be the Jets or Jaguars again. What if it's the Lions or that team in D.C? There's a lot of terrible franchises in the league bound to be picking high. There's also the danger of getting injured in school.

If I'm Lawrence, I feel confident enough I can turn around any franchise. Guys like Burrow or Mayfield weren't scared to play for the Browns or Bengals.

Also, athletes generally like playing in big cities. I don't know Lawrence personally so maybe I'm way off, but I'd be thrilled to be the top pick and be in New York. Bring it on.
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ChiefsCountry 05:54 PM 11-23-2020
Originally Posted by Red Dawg:
Something about Lawrence bothers me. His team is talented he hasn't had to show any grit. Back to wall playmaker grit.
Tuckdaddy not being sold on Lawerence means officially we have a Mahomes/Lawrence rivalry for AFC superiority for the next decade.
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staylor26 06:26 PM 11-23-2020
Originally Posted by JudasRising20:
The problem is, how do you know who's picking first next season? It may be the Jets or Jaguars again. What if it's the Lions or that team in D.C? There's a lot of terrible franchises in the league bound to be picking high. There's also the danger of getting injured in school.

If I'm Lawrence, I feel confident enough I can turn around any franchise. Guys like Burrow or Mayfield weren't scared to play for the Browns or Bengals.

Also, athletes generally like playing in big cities. I don't know Lawrence personally so maybe I'm way off, but I'd be thrilled to be the top pick and be in New York. Bring it on.
Exactly.

When is the team picking #1 overall not god awful?
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mkp785 09:18 PM 11-23-2020
Originally Posted by JudasRising20:
The problem is, how do you know who's picking first next season? It may be the Jets or Jaguars again. What if it's the Lions or that team in D.C? There's a lot of terrible franchises in the league bound to be picking high. There's also the danger of getting injured in school.

If I'm Lawrence, I feel confident enough I can turn around any franchise. Guys like Burrow or Mayfield weren't scared to play for the Browns or Bengals.

Also, athletes generally like playing in big cities. I don't know Lawrence personally so maybe I'm way off, but I'd be thrilled to be the top pick and be in New York. Bring it on.
This. Lawrence will be one of, it not the biggest star in the city the second he is drafted. Also, if he makes them respectable he'll be a huge get for companies. Pulling in the endorsements like 5 head Manning back in the day.

Jets have a lot of picks and as been mentioned have a great, young LT. They get Lawrence and will trade Darnold for another decent pick I'm sure. Honestly, I think that's where EB ends up. You get someone smart in there and you can do some dmg with that team.
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Gadzooks 10:30 PM 11-23-2020
Originally Posted by mkp785:
This. Lawrence will be one of, it not the biggest star in the city the second he is drafted. Also, if he makes them respectable he'll be a huge get for companies. Pulling in the endorsements like 5 head Manning back in the day.

Jets have a lot of picks and as been mentioned have a great, young LT. They get Lawrence and will trade Darnold for another decent pick I'm sure. Honestly, I think that's where EB ends up. You get someone smart in there and you can do some dmg with that team.
Yep, One of the main reasons ShEli wanted to go to the Giants was the market, (Ad money). Other was ownership.

Lawrence will be rooting against the Jets until they draft him.
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mkp785 10:52 PM 11-23-2020
Originally Posted by Gadzooks:
Yep, One of the main reasons ShEli wanted to go to the Giants was the market, (Ad money). Other was ownership.

Lawrence will be rooting against the Jets until they draft him.
Getting drafted by a NYC team could easily mean another 100 million in his bank account in just endorsements. All he has to do is get them to .500 or so and we'll be seeing him on TV all the time (probably will anyway) selling everything you can think of.
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chiefzilla1501 11:09 PM 11-23-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
I don't see it with Fields.
Really? Physically he's the complete package. Excellent running QB but also throws an excellent, accurate ball and the NFL loves QBs who can throw on the run. He's slow with his reads but he can get away a little of that early on. He's not a sure thing like Burrow or Lawrence, but at worst he's a solid enough running QB... at best he could become a bigger Kyler Murray. His upside is pretty tremendous.
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Wilson8 12:13 PM 11-24-2020
Draft Order with Current Standings

# TEAM W-L STRENGTH/SCHEDULE
1 NY Jets 0-10 .588
2 Jacksonville 1-9 .553
3 Cincinnati 2-7-1 .534
4 Dallas 3-7 .472
5 Washington 3-7 .475
6 LA Chargers 3-7 .497
7 NY Giants 3-7 .500
8 Miami (HOU) 3-7 .553
9 Atlanta 3-7 .549
10 Carolina 4-7 .537
11 Detroit 4-6 .500
12 New England 4-6 .506
13 Minnesota 4-6 .506
14 San Francisco 4-6 .528
15 Denver 4-6 .568
16 Chicago 5-5 .494
17 Miami 6-4 .447
18 Baltimore 6-4 .516
19 Philadelphia 3-6-1 .516
20 Arizona 6-4 .457
21 Las Vegas 6-4 .525
22 Tampa Bay 7-4 .506
23 NY Jets (SEA) 7-3 .441
24 Indianapolis 7-3 .459
25 Cleveland 7-3 .459
26 Green Bay 7-3 .454
27 Jacksonville (LAR) 7-3 .469
28 Tennessee 7-3 .491
29 Buffalo 7-3 .515
30 Kansas City 9-1 .457
31 New Orleans 8-2 .473
32 Pittsburgh 10-0 .453

https://gbnreport.com/2021-first-round-selection-order/
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Rasputin 12:15 PM 11-24-2020
There may be a team that comes up with an unGodly trade for rights to the Jets #1 pick.
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wazu 12:22 PM 11-24-2020
It seems like year after year AFC teams keep nabbing the top talent at QB. Kyler Murray was an exception. NFC teams sign free agents and make trades. Would be interesting to see average age of a starting QB in AFC vs NFC.
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carcosa 01:31 PM 11-24-2020
Originally Posted by Red Dawg:
Something about Lawrence bothers me. His team is talented he hasn't had to show any grit. Back to wall playmaker grit.
If you look at advanced stats, Lawrence's Grit Over Replacement QB (GORQ) is actually elite
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carcosa 01:33 PM 11-24-2020
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
Really? Physically he's the complete package. Excellent running QB but also throws an excellent, accurate ball and the NFL loves QBs who can throw on the run. He's slow with his reads but he can get away a little of that early on. He's not a sure thing like Burrow or Lawrence, but at worst he's a solid enough running QB... at best he could become a bigger Kyler Murray. His upside is pretty tremendous.
I'm pretty skeptical of Ohio State QBs in general, but then again nobody thought Texas Tech could produce an NFL QB until Patrick came along...
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staylor26 01:35 PM 11-24-2020
Originally Posted by wazu:
It seems like year after year AFC teams keep nabbing the top talent at QB. Kyler Murray was an exception. NFC teams sign free agents and make trades. Would be interesting to see average age of a starting QB in AFC vs NFC.
Yea I’m kind of getting annoyed with all of the good young QB’s ending up in the AFC.
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Wilson8 03:50 PM 11-24-2020
Originally Posted by wazu:
It seems like year after year AFC teams keep nabbing the top talent at QB. Kyler Murray was an exception. NFC teams sign free agents and make trades. Would be interesting to see average age of a starting QB in AFC vs NFC.
AFC
Buffalo Bills – QB Josh Allen, Age 24, 2018 Round 1 (7)
Miami Dolphins – QB Tua Tagovailoa, Age 22, 2020 Round 1 (5)
New England Patriots – QB Cam Newton, Age 31, 2011 Round 1 (1), FA 2020
New York Jets – QB Sam Darnold, Age 23, 2018 Round 1 (3)
Baltimore Ravens – QB Lamar Jackson, Age 23, 2018 Round 1 (32)
Cincinnati Bengals – QB Joe Burrow, Age 23, 2020 round 1 (1)
Cleveland Browns – QB Baker Mayfield, Age 25, 2018 Round 1 (1)
Pittsburgh Steelers – QB Ben Roethlisberger, Age 38, 2004 Round 1 (11)
Houston Texans – QB Deshaun Watson, Age 25, 2017 Round 1 (12)
Indianapolis Colts – QB Phillip Rivers, Age 38, 2004 Round 1 (4), FA 2020
Jacksonville Jaguars – QB Gardner Minshew, Age 24, 2019 Round 6 (176)
Tennessee Titans – QB Ryan Tannehill, Age 32, 2012 Round 1 (8), Trade 2019
Denver Broncos – QB Drew Lock, Age 24, 2019 Round 2 (42)
Kansas City Chiefs – QB Patrick Mahomes, Age 25, 2017 Round 1 (10)
Las Vegas Raiders – QB Derek Carr, Age 29, 2014 Round 2 (36)
Los Angeles Chargers - QB Justin Herbert, Age 22, 2020 Round 1 (6)

Average age 26.75 years old

NFC
Dallas Cowboys - QB Dak Prescott, Age 27, 2016 Round 4 (135)
New York Giants – QB Daniel Jones, Age 23, 2019 Round 1 (6)
Philadelphia Eagles – QB Carson Wentz, Age 27, 2016 Round 1 (2)
Washington Football Team – QB Alex Smith, Age 36, 2005 Round 1 (1), Trade 2018
Chicago Bears – QB Nick Foles, Age 31, Trade 2020
or Mitchell Trubisky, Age 26, 2017 Round 1 (2) * did not use for average
Detroit Lions – QB Matthew Stafford, Age 32, 2009 Round 1 (1)
Green Bay Packers – QB Aaron Rodgers, Age 36, 2005 Round 1 (24)
Minnesota Vikings - QB Kirk Cousins, Age 32, 2012 Round 4 (102, FA 2018
Atlanta Falcons – QB Matt Ryan, Age 35, 2008 Round 1 (3)
Carolina Panthers – QB Teddy Bridgewater, Age 28, 2014 Round 1 (32), FA 2020
New Orleans Saints – QB Drew Brees, Age 41, 2001 Round 2 (32), FA 2006
Tampa Bay Buccaneers – QB Tom Brady, Age 43, 2000 Round 6 (199), FA 2020
Arizona Cardinals – QB Kyler Murray, Age 23, 2019 Round 1 (1)
Los Angeles Rams – QB Jared Goff, Age 26, 2015 Round 1 (1)
San Francisco 49ers – Jimmy Garoppolo, Age 29, 2014 Round 2 (62), Trade 2017
Seattle Seahawks – QB Russell Wilson, Age 31, 2012 Round 3 (75)

Average age 31.25
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Wilson8 03:53 PM 11-24-2020
It won’t really change the average age if the Jets and Jaguars (both have young QBs) each go with the first round QB, but it will definitely improve the quality.

We are living in the Golden Age of the NFL QB with Patrick Mahomes as our QB.
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