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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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FloridaMan88 09:28 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
So, we should have been like Sweden and not implemented such draconian mitigation efforts. Yet, their death rate is much worse than ours.

Is that right?
Sweden's death rate is not "much worse" than America's.

Their death rate is about 265 deaths per million people, the US's death rate is 204 deaths per million people.

Meanwhile other European countries that have been under draconian lockdown all have much higher death rates... Spain (540 deaths per million people), France (381 deaths per million people), and Italy (477 deaths per million people).

50% of Sweden's deaths have taken place in their elderly care homes... which is the same problem that the draconian lockdown countries are having.
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dirk digler 09:28 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Yeah, no.

umm why not?
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SAUTO 09:30 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
We are still going to have many more deaths according to everyone.
well i would think it would be common sense that many more are going to die.



the deaths arent going to stop when the cases are going up by over 20k a day.
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Donger 09:31 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
Sweden's death rate is not "much worse" than America's.

Their death rate is about 265 deaths per million people, the US's death rate is 204 deaths per million people.

Meanwhile other European countries that have been under draconian lockdown all have much higher death rates... Spain (540 deaths per million people), France (381 deaths per million people), and Italy (477 deaths per million people).

50% of Sweden's deaths have taken place in their elderly care homes... which is the same problem that the draconian lockdown countries are having.
Perhaps it's just me, but I call a 25% greater death rate much worse.

Yes, those countries all locked down too late.
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petegz28 09:31 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I have a lot of trouble believing that people are going to be fans of one of Nazi Germany's favorite policies any time soon.
:-) considering some are embracing some of the policies no I don't know why you would find it hard. I don't want to get into this though as it will surely turn political quickly.
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petegz28 09:32 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Perhaps it's just me, but I call a 25% greater death rate much worse.

Yes, those countries all locked down too late.
25% based on what number? Are we no longer extrapolating how any people we really think have this and going back to just the reported cases?
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Donger 09:33 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
25% bases on that number? Are we no longer extrapolating how any people we really think have this and going back to just the reported cases?
It's in his post:

Their death rate is about 265 deaths per million people, the US's death rate is 204 deaths per million people
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SAUTO 09:33 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
It didn’t have to be that way though. If we’d have had our shit together and tested and traced early we could have been better off
or just shut the whole place down and freeze debt for 2 months in the beginning. right after they paid everyone a stimulus check to get groceries.

dont give it bodies and it dies.
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SAUTO 09:35 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by stevieray:
Newsflash:People die.

Every. single. day.
well at least you didnt compare it to drunk driving deaths, you have that going for you.
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limested 09:35 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
or just shut the whole place down and freeze debt for 2 months in the beginning. right after they paid everyone a stimulus check to get groceries.

dont give it bodies and it dies.
But it is my body and I can do what I want with it. I refuse to live in a socialist state! :-)

:-)
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Monticore 09:37 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
Sweden's death rate is not "much worse" than America's.

Their death rate is about 265 deaths per million people, the US's death rate is 204 deaths per million people.

Meanwhile other European countries that have been under draconian lockdown all have much higher death rates... Spain (540 deaths per million people), France (381 deaths per million people), and Italy (477 deaths per million people).

50% of Sweden's deaths have taken place in their elderly care homes... which is the same problem that the draconian lockdown countries are having.
You managed to get two draconian in one post you are really stepping up your game.
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SAUTO 09:38 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Anyone want to tackle this? CDC changed the number of Covid deaths to 37K?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Edit: Weird so is that the total without pneumonia? Very confusing.

Ah.
what's really weird is that you left out the part where it says death counts are delayed and continually revised. provisional data is not yet complete...
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petegz28 09:38 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
or just shut the whole place down and freeze debt for 2 months in the beginning. right after they paid everyone a stimulus check to get groceries.

dont give it bodies and it dies.
Freezing debt needs to be clarified. Places like banks are "freezing" or as they say deferring payments for 3 months but they are not adding 3 months to the end of your loan. They are expecting 4 months worth of payments come month 4.
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dirk digler 09:40 AM 05-04-2020
JFC



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stevieray 09:41 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
or just shut the whole place down and freeze debt for 2 months in the beginning.
...that's the rub.
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