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Nzoner's Game Room>If the Chiefs care about honor and decency, Tyreek Hill can’t be part of this team
Eleazar 09:58 PM 04-25-2019
If the Chiefs care about honor and decency, Tyreek Hill can’t be part of this team

BY VAHE GREGORIAN
April 25, 2019 10:31 PM,
Updated 20 minutes ago

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/sp...229705219.html


The instantly infamous audio clip of Tyreek Hill and Crystal Espinal that KCTV-5 aired on Thursday night stood for many things at once.

It was a lens onto a chilling side of Hill, whose response to being told their 3-year-old son is terrified of him was, “You need to be terrified of me, too, bitch.” It was an appalling glimpse at what several sources have told The Star is a toxic relationship.

And her disturbing reference to covering for him with authorities (“I rode for you,” as she put it) was a window into the sorts of obstacles to which Johnson County district attorney Steve Howe seemed to be alluding on Thursday. That’s when he said a crime had been committed when it came their son, who The Star reported had suffered a broken arm among other injuries, but suggested he couldn’t bring charges because the couple had conspired to stonewall a month-long investigation.

Perhaps most of all, the excerpt from a recording Espinal reportedly made while the couple was walking in the Dubai International Airport also was a moment of tangible clarity and, in fact, a favor to the Chiefs.

Unless they are morally bankrupt, it’s easy now.

If they care about what they stand for, if they care about the community, if they care about victims of abuse and their families who already had to be conflicted watching this previously convicted man cavort on the field, Hill can’t be part of this team.

It’s that simple: If they care about honor and decency, Hill can’t be part of this team.

Even after Howe’s extraordinary news conference, there was scant room for equivocation or rationalization about Hill unless they were bent on denial or creating smokescreens around the real issue.

Which they could well have been, given that Hill is their second-most dynamic offensive player behind Patrick Mahomes and arguably fundamental to their ambitions of playing in the Super Bowl for the first time in half a century.

Sure, the Chiefs are in business to compete, not be a pillar of virtue. Those worlds can collide, and it can be complicated. Or as reader Dan Curry eloquently put it in an email on Thursday: “We want them to be a beacon of honor, but they’re also a business where that beacon shines on winning from the thousands of fans who follow them.”

But the spotlight now is on what looms as a trend for this franchise, which cut running back Kareem Hunt last fall only after video surfaced of him knocking over and shoving a woman months before and emphasized it was for lying.

Earlier this week, the Chiefs traded for Seattle defensive end Frank Clark, who was involved in a domestic violence incident in 2014 that led to him being dismissed from the Michigan football team.

Sure, it’s hard to have a one-size-fits-all policy. And we can’t be so cynical that we don’t believe in second chances, can we?

Just the same, this is a franchise that should feel more duty-bound than most to be sensitive to domestic violence in the wake of the 2012 murder of Kasandra Perkins by linebacker Jovan Belcher, who then killed himself in the parking lot outside the Chiefs’ training facility.

When the Chiefs drafted Hill in 2016, a few months after he pleaded guilty to domestic assault and battery by strangulation of the then-pregnant Espinal, I touched base with Perkins’ mother, Becky Gonzalez.

“I heard the story: It’s disheartening to see another case of money over morals,” Becky Gonzalez, the grandmother to orphaned baby Zoey, said via text message. “They (the NFL) do whatever damage control is necessary at the time to appease (the) public but never take a stance.

“I hope they don’t end up regretting their decision.”

For a while, their decision looked good. While Hill was emerging as a human blur and one of the most exciting players anyone has ever seen, he also by all accounts was conducting himself with exemplary behavior.

When his three-year deferred sentence ended last August and Hill had completed all of his court-mandated requirements, Hill’s conviction in Payne County, Okla., was expunged. And it was heartening to hear what county assistant DA for domestic violence Debra Vincent said.

“Who’s to say that this wasn’t life-changing in how he looked at that part of his life?” she said in a phone interview at the time.

But Vincent also reminded me of the truth that was always lurking: She warned that the work he’d done to date was no guarantee of future behavior. Because his progress could only be measured over a lifetime, not a few years — just as concerned local domestic abuse experts warned when the Chiefs drafted Hill and trumpeted their vetting and urged us all to trust them.

And that’s the other favor this sad situation has done for the Chiefs. It stands as a statement that they need to change their attitude about this, not to mention their system.

When they said “trust us” and implied they knew better than the experts and said they had thoroughly vetted him and that they have their own in-house ways of working with these situations, they didn’t know what they didn’t know.

Now they need to own up to that and revisit how they do this part of the business, perhaps with a dose of transparency involved, lest they continue to go down this path and have reason to regret it again.

Vahe Gregorian has been a sports columnist for The Kansas City Star since 2013 after 25 years at the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. He has covered a wide spectrum of sports, including 10 Olympics. Vahe was an English major at the University of Pennsylvania and earned his master’s degree at Mizzou.
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notorious 11:42 AM 04-26-2019
Urban Meyer warned hoodie about Hernandez, and Bill still drafted him.


That guy acts pure, but he’s a self righteous cunt.
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FAX 11:43 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by listopencil:
It occurred to me but I think that'd have to be a case by case basis. Should be part of the talk between the owner and the commissioner.
Clearly, it would be impossible to specify, Mr. listopencil. Nonetheless, to require counseling for all the parties involved would be advisable ... both from a practical and a political point-of-view.

Courts can order mandatory counseling, then absolve the defendant upon satisfactory completion. It could be structured in a similar way. If, that is, you actually want to kill the "perception" bird and the "practical results" bird with the same stone.

FAX
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kcpasco 11:43 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by PatsWinAgain:
Long time lurker, first time poster here.

I just wanna say you that a good vast majority of posters here(on CP) are f*****g horrible people. No better than Tyreek himself. The guy who has a past of domestic violence has pretty much has admitted to breaking his kid’s arm. I question the logic & humanity of the people visiting this site. It’s mind boggling how anyone can try to spin it in any other way. POS fans deserves POS players.
Thanks for the moral compass. Now kindly find yourself to the nearest Browns and Titans forum and repeat this message. Oh, and kindly drink antifreeze.
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listopencil 11:45 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by FAX:
Clearly, it would be impossible to specify, Mr. listopencil. Nonetheless, to require counseling for all the parties involved would be advisable ... both from a practical and a political point-of-view.

Courts can order mandatory counseling, then absolve the defendant upon satisfactory completion. It could be structured in a similar way. If, that is, you actually want to kill the "perception" bird and the "practical results" bird with the same stone.

FAX

Sure. I don't disagree with you at all.
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FAX 11:47 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by listopencil:
Sure. I don't disagree with you at all.
Structurally, your approach makes far more sense than the current non-system.

If I'm not mistaken, the Chiefs are still carrying around 200k in dead money from the Hunt fiasco, for example.

In that case, the Chiefs did the right thing "perception-wise", but held the bag nonetheless. That is unfair any way you slice it.

FAX
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listopencil 11:50 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by FAX:
Structurally, your approach makes far more sense than the current non-system.

If I'm not mistaken, the Chiefs are still carrying around 200k in dead money from the Hunt fiasco, for example.

In that case, the Chiefs did the right thing "perception-wise", but held the bag nonetheless. That is unfair any way you slice it.

FAX



Well, to be honest, this isn't a Kansas City Chief problem. This is an NFL problem. It needs to be addressed by the NFL.
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kcpasco 11:53 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by notorious:
Urban Meyer warned hoodie about Hernandez, and Bill still drafted him.


That guy acts pure, but he’s a self righteous ****.
Pats fans don’t want to acknowledge his red flag warnings before he was drafted. He was just a bad guy out of thin air.
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AdolfOliverBush 11:54 AM 04-26-2019
Does Gregorian do a criminal background check on every employee of every business he deals with? The guy who sold him his last butt plug could've been a child abuser. Let's hope he didn't put money in the pocket of a monster during his trip to Pauly's Dildo Emporium.
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FAX 11:59 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by listopencil:
Well, to be honest, this isn't a Kansas City Chief problem. This is an NFL problem. It needs to be addressed by the NFL.
It's just an example ... not a plea for special consideration from the NFL.

FAX
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ChiefaRoo 12:08 PM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
This is all just my own speculation based on the bits and pieces.

But yeah I agree. Plan A was to cover for Tyreek and hope the whole thing blows over, he gets paid, and all is well.

Plan B was to record it and use it against him if he bailed on their agreement and tried to blame her. She sent it to a friend for safe keeping, just in case.

What actually happened is that Plan A worked well enough for both of them to avoid charges but the friend couldn't handle how it went down, conscience got the best of them, and they handed over the recording to KCTV5.

We do know from what KCTV5 said last night that the video did not come from Espinal. It was given to them from someone else.
Something like this.
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tyreekthefreak 12:12 PM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by FAX:
Clearly, it would be impossible to specify, Mr. listopencil. Nonetheless, to require counseling for all the parties involved would be advisable ... both from a practical and a political point-of-view.

Courts can order mandatory counseling, then absolve the defendant upon satisfactory completion. It could be structured in a similar way. If, that is, you actually want to kill the "perception" bird and the "practical results" bird with the same stone.

FAX
Exactly! Like I said elsewhere...…..I doubt Tyreek gets his kicks beating up 3 year olds! The arm break is debatable as to what happened.....the punch/hit/back hand slap......sounds much like a belt or tree switch to me!
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Sweet Daddy Hate 12:28 PM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by PatsWinAgain:
Long time lurker, first time poster here.

I just wanna say you that a good vast majority of posters here(on CP) are f*****g horrible people. No better than Tyreek himself. The guy who has a past of domestic violence has pretty much has admitted to breaking his kid’s arm. I question the logic & humanity of the people visiting this site. It’s mind boggling how anyone can try to spin it in any other way. POS fans deserves POS players.

Wrong.

But, I "pretty much" believe I'd like to ram my fist down your throat and pull your ovaries back up for close examination before feeding them to my dogs.
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TEX 12:33 PM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by PatsWinAgain:
Long time lurker, first time poster here.

I just wanna say you that a good vast majority of posters here(on CP) are f*****g horrible people. No better than Tyreek himself. The guy who has a past of domestic violence has pretty much has admitted to breaking his kid’s arm. I question the logic & humanity of the people visiting this site. It’s mind boggling how anyone can try to spin it in any other way. POS fans deserves POS players.
Spoken like a true tugger....
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Rams Fan 12:35 PM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by PatsWinAgain:
Long time lurker, first time poster here.

I just wanna say you that a good vast majority of posters here(on CP) are f*****g horrible people. No better than Tyreek himself. The guy who has a past of domestic violence has pretty much has admitted to breaking his kid’s arm. I question the logic & humanity of the people visiting this site. It’s mind boggling how anyone can try to spin it in any other way. POS fans deserves POS players.
Your team employed a convicted murderer and a coach who openly stumps/supports a former player of his who is a registered sex offender.

Get off your high horse.
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PatsWinAgain 12:39 PM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by notorious:
Your coach drafted a person waaaay worse than Hill even though he was warned by his best friend in Urban Meyer.

Nobody is clean, so go **** yourself.
What was it that was worse than beating up your pregnant gf, and breaking a 3 year olds arm? Enlighten me.
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