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Nzoner's Game Room>Per Verderame: Veach would prefer to keep Chris Jones
RunKC 09:27 AM 02-10-2020
Interesting article here. Not a huge fan of Verderame but he was at the Super Bowl and he does go to the combine. I think he gets some tips, albeit from Terez (who is a nice guy).

Here is the most interesting part of the article. 2021 and 2022 would be extremely difficult to manage.

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What the Chiefs can do with their money

Looking at Kansas City’s cap situation, it can release wide receiver Sammy Watkins and linebacker Damien Wilson, clearing out $18.5 million in space. Combined with rollover money and already existing room, that’s enough cash for Veach to tag Jones, re-sign a few other pending free agents and extend Patrick Mahomes.

Speaking of Mahomes, the 24-year-old quarterback is likely to soon be the highest-paid player in the league. This is another important factor to consider.

Let’s play GM for a moment and do the following to the Chiefs’ roster:

•Cut Sammy Watkins
•Cut Damien Wilson
•Cut Cam Erving

Extend Patrick Mahomes on a five-year, $200 million deal
Use franchise tag on Chris Jones
Allow $10 million for free agents and draft picks
Keep $2 million in emergency space
Using the Jared Goff and Carson Wentz extension structures as a template, Mahomes’ cap hit would approximately be $11 million this season. Factor in Jones’ tag and the $12 million outlined above, and Kansas City is laying out $35 million.

The Chiefs could do it. But while it’s palatable for 2020, what about 2021 and beyond?

If Kansas City gave Mahomes the aforementioned extension, his cap number would be enormous in 2021, potentially the full $40 million figure. If the Chiefs also signed Jones to Clark’s exact deal, the cap number would be $22.7 million in 2021.

If we account for a slight rise in the NFL salary cap both this year and next, it’ll be around $210 million. Under these parameters, Kansas City would be looking at the following cap hits in 2021:

Patrick Mahomes ($40M)
Frank Clark ($24.2M)
Chris Jones ($22.7)
Tyrann Mathieu ($19.7M)
Tyreek Hill ($15.7M)
In total, the top five players on the Chiefs would be earning $122.3 million, or 58 percent of the salary cap.

Going into this offseason with a projected $200 million salary cap, only one team is currently allocating more than 50 percent to their top five players: the Los Angeles Rams at 54 percent.

Kansas City can always create cap space with extensions and releases, but tying up such a large chunk of money in five players is dangerous. The Chiefs would be largely unable to sign any other meaningful free agents for a few years — including their own — while being completely reliant on the draft to restock departing talent.

In his three years at the helm, Veach has proven to believe in acquiring top-shelf talent and filling in around them with low-cost, high-upside veteran deals (see: Damien Williams, Stefen Wisniewski, Mike Pennel) and rookie deals.

Jones certainly fits Veach’s profile. The question is if he fits into Kansas City’s payroll.
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pugsnotdrugs19 09:25 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
like what if it's say, half of the Khalil Mack haul?

a #1 and a #3 to like...Miami.

so we'd have two #1's, a 2nd, two #3's, a #4, and a #5.

and cap room.

I just think you have to do that.
Yeah... when you put it that way, it’s just hard to imagine another scenario.

Sucks cause I don’t think we get a player in the draft who can bring more than 80-85% of what Jones does. But I can’t see them trying to build around Mahomes without a bunch of young, cheap talent.

Unless Mahomes is willing to take a mega discount, I’ll be shocked if CJ isn’t traded..
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Chris Meck 09:25 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
You got a source? Not asking for who, but the stuff you’ve put out there is pretty detailed for any ol’ CPer to have.
I know this guy, he's a janitor at Arrowhead, so he's sweeping around the offices and hears the staff talking all the time....

:-)
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pugsnotdrugs19 09:27 AM 02-17-2020
I hope we can at least retain Pennel
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Chris Meck 09:27 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
Yeah... when you put it that way, it’s just hard to imagine another scenario.

Sucks cause I don’t think we get a player in the draft who can bring more than 80-85% of what Jones does. But I can’t see them trying to build around Mahomes without a bunch of young, cheap talent.

Unless Mahomes is willing to take a mega discount, I’ll be shocked if CJ isn’t traded..

yeah, I just think...in the modern NFL there's no real "keep the band together" strategy that works.

Every year you've gotta make tough choices.

We spent the money on Clark and 'Badger.

We gotta let Jonesy walk.

We spent the money on Hill.

We gotta let Watkins walk.

re-tool, re-load and get on with it.
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Mecca 09:28 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Not only that, but this is the absolute best year possible to replace Sammy Watkins.

Lamb
Jeudy
Ruggs
Higgins
Shenault
Aiyuk
Reagor
Jefferson
Hamler
Mims
Hill
Davis
Johnson

This is a great WR class. We could get a nice weapon all the way to rd 3. Corner is also very deep too so I wouldn’t be surprised if Veach uses a 1st on one of those badasses to replace Sammy.
Other than you know that gaping LB hole we have and if Patrick Queen were to make it to our pick, you well have to take him.
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Chris Meck 09:28 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
I hope we can at least retain Pennel
Man, I think if you trade Jones, you can absolutely do that. And make some other moves, too.


You keep Jones, you're kind of hand-cuffed.
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pugsnotdrugs19 09:29 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
yeah, I just think...in the modern NFL there's no real "keep the band together" strategy that works.

Every year you've gotta make tough choices.

We spent the money on Clark and 'Badger.

We gotta let Jonesy walk.

We spent the money on Hill.

We gotta let Watkins walk.

re-tool, re-load and get on with it.
I’ve been on record for over a year now too saying that I think Hill is like MVP #2 for this team, so I’m just thrilled that they were able to keep him on a reasonable contract.

You’re absolutely right. Hope Clark can get (and stay) healthy as well. Whatever the deal is with his elbows still makes me nervous seeing how he wears a brace all the time.
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Dunerdr 09:31 AM 02-17-2020
I get sad when i think of CJ playing elsewhere, then i get kind of happy when i think of this team with a possible mid round lb and late 1st qb. Grab a second round lineman, fucking profit with the rest.
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Chris Meck 09:32 AM 02-17-2020
I like the idea of replacing Jones with a similar skill-set player somewhere in the first two rounds. That should be do-able with the haul from his trade.

Re-signing Pennel and Ogbah.

Cutting Watkins frees up another $14 million. That can net you two quality players at either LB, OL, or perhaps a second tier CB.
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pugsnotdrugs19 09:34 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by Dunerdr:
I get sad when i think of CJ playing elsewhere, then i get kind of happy when i think of this team with a possible mid round lb and late 1st qb. Grab a second round lineman, fucking profit with the rest.
Chiefs have made some moves the last few years that really gutted us as fans (Peters, Hunt, etc.), and they just keep coming back even better. It’s what you get with Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes.

This won’t be the last difficult move to stomach, but it doesn’t mean it will be the wrong move either. I trust them either way. They’ve earned that.
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dlphg9 09:35 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by RockChalk:
This is what they are going to do. Internally, the staff does not like Jones nearly as much as most fans do. He's a PIA and constantly tries to get out of practices, etc. Pretty telling that he's nowhere near leadership on that D, nor do the players speak about him very often.

Veach is going to do whatever it takes to find a trade partner.
You're completely full of shit.
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duncan_idaho 09:49 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Other than you know that gaping LB hole we have and if Patrick Queen were to make it to our pick, you well have to take him.
I think they're going to be looking for a LB who can play on the weakside in the base set and be the go-to-go on passing downs, though. Maybe not a middle. Hitchens is here to stay and is valuable lining things up in the middle of the field.

Can Queen play outside? I don't think he's going to make it to 32 at this point (nor will Murray).

If they end up trading Jones for a 1st and whatever else they can get for him, it might change the equation a bit.

In an ideal world, they get a 1st and a this-year 4th or 5th for Jones, trade down with one of their 2 1st rounders (and end up with an extra 2nd in this deal) and take a LB, a WR/RB, and a CB with those first three picks (in some combination).

I think the one I like the most is Jeff Gladney (1st - 32), Leviska Shenault (2nd - acquired via trade), then the best LB on the borad (Jordyn Brooks? Akeem Davis-Gaither? Troy Dye?)

I'm coming around to Zach Baun, though, if they think he can play in pass coverage and be more of an all-around asset. Baun (32), CB, then the best WR (or RB if the right one is there) at the end of the second would work, too.
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Chief Northman 10:05 AM 02-17-2020
This is arguably a tougher decision for the Chiefs than most here are willing to admit.

It would be near impossible to replace Jones’ production via draft picks. With the Chiefs draft slot being so low this year, it will be that much more difficult to accrue starting talent to fill roster holes. Jones is arguably the #2 best defensive tackle in the league in his prime right now. Guys like that get paid, and their production is invaluable, and directly leads to wins. I think a trade offer for Jones would have to knock the socks off of Veach for him to just readily let Jones walk.
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Dunerdr 10:07 AM 02-17-2020
Everyone keeps saying you wont replace CJ's production with a draft pick. True. But Spags hasnt traditionally used badass 3techs, when he needs to generate a rush he moves part of his arsenal of pass rushing defensive ends inside. I believe we will resign ogbah as part of that idea, then use the picks to get better and more athletic at the next level, and add a corner.
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Chris Meck 10:08 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Other than you know that gaping LB hole we have and if Patrick Queen were to make it to our pick, you well have to take him.
yeah, but with the $20 million you're NOT paying Jones, maybe you can fill that hole.
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