Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by TLO:
I'm not sure how much these lock down orders actually matter, honestly. It really comes down to people's own personal responsibility. You can have strongly worded messages from the government all day long. Shut down this, shut down that, etc. It doesn't matter if we still have people meeting up in large groups for long periods of time.
There was an article that had several simulations of social distancing and at that time (a couple weeks ago) they were estimating the flattening of the curve when only 25% of people practiced social distancing/self-quarantining.
It also showed 'no restrictions' vs. 'moderate restrictions' vs. 'crazy restrictions', and just having something in place did matter quite a bit for their projections.
And who knows... of course it would be different for NYC versus Kansas City versus Winslow, Arizona. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pablo:
Don't you know people in "the country" read:town of 12,000 will all start murdering because they are scared and that's the only way to solve the problem?
:-)
I live in a small town where I work. I grew up on an 10,000 acre ranch in Pontiac, MO. which is 25 minutes from Gainesville, MO a town of 650 people.
There is already uprising in that area over people fleeing from NYC. The County sheriffs department has had to put deputies where those people from NYC are staying to keep the peace. They are forcing them to stay where they are for 14 day isolation. [Reply]
Originally Posted by LiveSteam:
Nuke China off the face of the earth
Would be a good place to start.
CHINA isn't going anywhere. Are you aware that CHINA (The Republic of CHINA) was one of the five PERMANENT MEMBERS to create the UNITED NATIONS back in October 24, 1945? These FIRST five countries ( CHINA, FRANCE, SOVIET UNION, UNITED KINGDOM, and the United States) formed THE UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL. GO look at ID2020 and click on "why now". The plan is revealed. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
We don't know where there is significant spread, we aren't testing nearly enough. You can't know what you're looking for if you aren't looking.
This. Parsons is playing a dangerous game we know the stay in place has lowered the numbers. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
We don't know where there is significant spread, we aren't testing nearly enough. You can't know what you're looking for if you aren't looking.
Yep. We’ll know in a week or two. And that’s if everyone stays home.
Town here looks fairly normal today. Cars going by non stop [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
You sure give some thought to why you think that shortage of PPE's gets "old" to you. I think your thoughts are that this damages your side of the political aisle. I don't see that angle.
I've not seen one story where the doctors, nurses are blaming anyone specifically for the PPE shortage. Just letting people know they desperately need PPE's to protect themselves and their patients. You keep hearing about it because the healthcare workers lives are at risk. Doctors and nurses are dying due to a lack of PPE's.
This isn't about politics. It's about supporting our front line solders fighting this virus, like Dirk Diglers daughter. Getting them the equipment to stay alive while they save us.
Maybe what I'm thinking about it that I understand why companies and the government weren't stockpiling/hoarding PPE and equipment, I've already explained that part.
And maybe the people complaining could do something more productive than whine. Perhaps support the many businesses that have converted their places of business to manufacturing those PPE and equipment.
You're right, it's not political, and the whining doesn't help. [Reply]
As has been said ad nauseum here, we're making decisions without data. Granted, in serious shit times like this, sometimes you can't wait for data because the house is already on fire.
But you damn sure need to start gaining as much knowledge as you can. So we need to start testing a shit load of people and see who's had this and is now immune and see who's actually got it. [Reply]
