Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Except multiple countries are now starting trials after seeing it be successful.
Name them.
Even the article that you in particular linked says that Belgium has begun clinical testing, not that the medicine in question is working to reverse the effects of COVID-19.
I posted quotes directly from the article you linked that says the exact opposite of what you're claiming. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
If there are doctors saying that "A" works, they're shysters.
Currently, the US, France and Belgium are doing clinical studies but there's been no proclamation by any verifiable organization, the CDC, etc. that are claiming with any certainty that Chloroquinine is working to reverse the effects of COVID-19.
Azithromycin can have serious side effects and it's been stated as such by real doctors.
There's too much disinformation in this thread and it's causing people to argue over hypotheticals, not proof.
Hey I’m no expert, I just don’t think anyone here is rushing out and risking their lives over something Clay posted :-)
But honestly, if I caught this and the doc said he’d give me that treatment... I’d say fire away [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
It's pedantic. Which is to say it's very on brand.
Just as one should take histrionics from Clay or faux expertise from me for what it is, Donger being....donger....should simply be taken for what it's worth.
What part of this do you disagree with?
And wouldn't it horrible if someone on here who is having a really hard time dealing with this actually believes that this is a cure and meets a bad end? Perhaps it would be better is such things aren't claimed at all unless and until it becomes fact. [Reply]
Covid-19: Bahrain one of the first in the world to use hydroxychloroquine for treatment
It doesn't say how severe the symptoms were, their age and million other criteria they have to look at.
Would they have gotten better on their own? [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
If this was true, and it's not, everyone, worldwide, would stop clinical testing and begin administering the medicine immediately.
It is true, actually. Zero deaths TODAY, I should have said. Only 4 overall.
Originally Posted by Easy 6:
But honestly, if I caught this and the doc said he’d give me that treatment... I’d say fire away
The issue is that doctors aren't just randomly giving patients chloroquinine and/or azithromycin because there are too many things that can go wrong, especially people currently on medication or with underlying health issues.
Hopefully, the clinical studies will reveal that this cocktail helps a large percentage of people with COVID-19 but at this point in time, there's no proof. [Reply]
There is no data that says they've given it to every single patient and so far, 4 out of 458 have died.
There's simply not enough data for doctors to freely prescribe this medicine to anyone and everyone infected.
If the WHO or CDC says it's successful, then we should move forward but doctors shouldn't base their usage on claims from Bahrain, of all places. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
The issue is that doctors aren't just randomly giving patients chloroquinine and/or azithromycin because there are too many things that can go wrong, especially people currently on medication or with underlying health issues.
Hopefully, the clinical studies will reveal that this cocktail helps a large percentage of people with COVID-19 but at this point in time, there's no proof.
Some people can develop bacterial infections secondary to getting a virus causing URTI, maybe they are doing well with this treatment since sounds like HCQ does better with the Z-pac, or there could be a thousand other reasons , if that combo of drugs had zero side effects it might be different. [Reply]
