Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Here is some good news
Projections for major hot spots have been that if they can keep the doubling at around 7-8 days, they'll have sufficiently 'bent the curve' to avoid major capacity issues.
They aren't there yet and it's always the last 20% of a climb that's the hardest, but that's progress.
(I guess trying to delete my post deleted both of them. We'll try again) [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I do enjoy it when you're incapable of speaking directly to the points I've made so instead substitute your own wildly divergent arguments in their place.
That's okay - you've made your point clear. Mac's friends death is irrelevant and shouldn't be considered in determining policy decision. He was just going to kill himself anyway. He was just looking for an excuse.
Keep on back-pedaling, sweetheart. Obviously considering mental health outcomes in the face of a global financial catastrophe is just putting dollars ahead of lives.
Stop trying to spin my words around to make me look like a piece of shit. It's not my fault social distancing is the way the best medical experts in the world have recommended to limit the amount of lives lost to this virus. If there was another way to do it that wouldn't hurt the economy as much as social distancing has, I'm sure that's what we would be doing.
Maybe if you weren't so ignorant you'd realize there are people in the world smarter than you who are working on this night and day. [Reply]
Originally Posted by carlos3652:
Will do - Buenos Aires metro has about 16 million people in a 2k square mile radius so it will be interesting to see if it blows up.
Did they put a timeframe on the lockdown? I think that is key here, can't have it going on too long or the natives will get restless but obviously don't want to cut it too short and have it all be for naught. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bugeater:
Did they put a timeframe on the lockdown? I think that is key here, can't have it going on too long or the natives will get restless but obviously don't want to cut it too short and have it all be for naught.
Anything short of 120 days is too short, so.. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy: Stop trying to spin my words around to make me look like a piece of shit. It's not my fault social distancing is the way the best medical experts in the world have recommended to limit the amount of lives lost to this virus. If there was another way to do it I'm sure that's what we would be doing.
That's pretty fucking ironic.
You who said "unlike you, some people care more for lives than money" and then proceeded to ignore every post I've made on the subject is going to accuse me of twisting words.
You're the one that said those that commit suicide shouldn't be equally considered because "they have a choice". You're the one that said that those who didn't save enough to get through this "have to take ownership of it". You're the one that spoke to a suicide as someone who "just decided to use these times as an excuse".
Perhaps if you'd actually pay attention to what I'm saying instead of feeling some bizarre ass need to fly over the top of it, you won't end up overplaying your hand this badly and saying stupid, ill-thought bullshit that you have to back away from when it gets fed to you.
But brother - I'm not twisting your words here. You look plenty like a piece of shit on your own. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
22.2% to 26.9% of people being hospitalized for COVID-19 complications have diabetes.
Generally, when referring to diabetes, it's referring to Type I Diabetes, which is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a choice.
Adult Onset Diabetes, commonly referred to as Type II Diabetes, can be reversed with medication, diet and exercise but it's not exactly easy, especially for older adults in their 60's, 70's and 80's, who are often limited in their mobility. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
That's pretty ****ing ironic.
You who said "unlike you, some people care more for lives than money" and then proceeded to ignore every post I've made on the subject is going to accuse me of twisting words.
You're the one that said those that commit suicide shouldn't be equally considered because "they have a choice". You're the one that said that those who didn't save enough to get through this "have to take ownership of it". You're the one that spoke to a suicide as someone who "just decided to use these times as an excuse".
Perhaps if you'd actually pay attention to what I'm saying instead of feeling some bizarre ass need to fly over the top of it, you won't end up overplaying your hand this badly and saying stupid, ill-thought bullshit that you have to back away from when it gets fed to you.
But brother - I'm not twisting your words here. You look plenty like a piece of shit on your own.
When I said take ownership I meant learn from it. Those who commit suicide do have a choice.. Do they not? Mac's friend is an extreme circumstance, obviously. Those people I have a ton of empathy for but they are the minority.
Again, please stop trying to twist my words around. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
When I said take ownership I meant learn from it. Those who commit suicide do have a choice.. Do they not? Mac's friend is an extreme circumstance, obviously. Those people I have a ton of empathy for but they are the minority.
Again, please stop trying to twist my words around.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I would suggest quitting while you're behind. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Generally, when referring to diabetes, it's referring to Type I Diabetes, which is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a choice.
Adult Onset Diabetes, commonly referred to as Type II Diabetes, can be reversed with medication, diet and exercise but it's not exactly easy, especially for older adults in their 60's, 70's and 80's, who are often limited in their mobility.
All of this. The diseases are different enough that one should really almost never say the word "diabetes" without also stating the type. [Reply]