Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
Pete loves to bitch and argue I swear. I don't see the big deal about wearing a mask. It takes 2-seconds to put on and 2-seconds to take off. Sucks not to be able to see hot chicks faces but that is about it
It can also make ugly chicks seem hotter......imagination is cool [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Almost no old cars are as safe as cars today. Cars today have crush zones and are created with advanced engineering. They are designed to slinky up. People think that rigid cars of the past are always safer because of it. It's the opposite, in most cases.
I would also bet that a Tesla can travel twice as fast as a Pinto could and accelerates a hell of a lot quicker, which would lead to more accidents. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
Pete loves to bitch and argue I swear. I don't see the big deal about wearing a mask. It takes 2-seconds to put on and 2-seconds to take off. Sucks not to be able to see hot chicks faces but that is about it
I guess we all like to argue a little or we wouldn't be here lol, but If we were arguing about something in his profession I wouldn't be as argumentative knowing his experience often times trumps things I can read on the internet. [Reply]
The Mall of America confirmed Thursday that it has not been able to meet its mortgage payment obligations for the Bloomington retail and entertainment complex that has been closed since mid-March due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
The confirmation comes after published reports that the mall missed payments on its $1.4 billion mortgage in April and May.
According to reports from the Financial Times and Bloomberg, mall management notified Wells Fargo & Co., the servicer overseeing the mortgage, of the challenges it faced due to the global pandemic.
In a response to questions, Mall of America representatives said Thursday that it has made partial mortgage payments as its revenue has dropped 85% since it was forced to close. The mall plans to reopen June 1.
“That lost revenue has impacted our ability to stay current on our operating expenses,” the Mall of America said in a statement. “Unfortunately, Mall of America has not been able to qualify for any of the federal aid programs that are designed to get people back to work and protect businesses. Facing significantly reduced revenue, and the realization that it will take many months to return to pre-COVID operating levels, we have not met our full mortgage payment obligations. This is not unique to Mall of America and is in fact a struggle facing countless businesses nationwide.”
The Mall of America’s mortgage has been submitted to a special servicer in hopes to agree on modifications on the terms of the loan.
Bloomington Mayor Tim Busse said he and other city officials have been in contact with mall representatives and in discussion on possible ways the city could assist, but he declined to discuss any details.
“We understand the challenges that they are facing. … In reality, the mall is hundreds of small businesses,” Busse said.
The mall has more than 500 stores and draws more than 40 million visitors a year.
Mall owner Triple Five Group, a family-run business based in Edmonton, Canada, has also had to delay the full opening of its American Dream mega mall in New Jersey due to COVID-19. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I've not heard any expert or manufacturer say it does anything more than protect others from the wearer of thr mask. Even posted the picture of the mask instructions stating such
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They have warnings on plenty of products that are only there to protect idiots. [Reply]
Originally Posted by displacedinMN:
starting to get real....
The Mall of America confirmed Thursday that it has not been able to meet its mortgage payment obligations for the Bloomington retail and entertainment complex that has been closed since mid-March due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
The confirmation comes after published reports that the mall missed payments on its $1.4 billion mortgage in April and May.
According to reports from the Financial Times and Bloomberg, mall management notified Wells Fargo & Co., the servicer overseeing the mortgage, of the challenges it faced due to the global pandemic.
In a response to questions, Mall of America representatives said Thursday that it has made partial mortgage payments as its revenue has dropped 85% since it was forced to close. The mall plans to reopen June 1.
“That lost revenue has impacted our ability to stay current on our operating expenses,” the Mall of America said in a statement. “Unfortunately, Mall of America has not been able to qualify for any of the federal aid programs that are designed to get people back to work and protect businesses. Facing significantly reduced revenue, and the realization that it will take many months to return to pre-COVID operating levels, we have not met our full mortgage payment obligations. This is not unique to Mall of America and is in fact a struggle facing countless businesses nationwide.”
The Mall of America’s mortgage has been submitted to a special servicer in hopes to agree on modifications on the terms of the loan.
Bloomington Mayor Tim Busse said he and other city officials have been in contact with mall representatives and in discussion on possible ways the city could assist, but he declined to discuss any details.
“We understand the challenges that they are facing. … In reality, the mall is hundreds of small businesses,” Busse said.
The mall has more than 500 stores and draws more than 40 million visitors a year.
Mall owner Triple Five Group, a family-run business based in Edmonton, Canada, has also had to delay the full opening of its American Dream mega mall in New Jersey due to COVID-19.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Then how come all thecexperys are saying the same thing? Masks protect others from you, not you from others.
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Do you understand that the world is not always black and white?
I'd have to dig to find my source for it (I posted it probably a month ago), but it seems like it was like 30-40% reduction in particles for the wearer and 70-80% reduction of particles getting out. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Then how come all thecexperys are saying the same thing? Masks protect others from you, not you from others.
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You could technically drink a beer through a mask but basic physics tells me that it would be much harder than without one. I don't need an expert to explain some basic principles of life. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
Pete loves to bitch and argue I swear. I don't see the big deal about wearing a mask. It takes 2-seconds to put on and 2-seconds to take off. Sucks not to be able to see hot chicks faces but that is about it
So you see a hot chick with a great rack and a fine ass you're checking the face. You are doing it wrong. You are supposed to be drooling at the naughty bits. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
Have you been wearing a mask recently, pete?
Absolutely not, and most around here aren't either. My eye doctor made me wear one when I went for my annual last week. Mayo clinic wanded me down for temperature and slapped a mask on me when I went in a couple weeks ago. Only time I've worn a mask. They feel weird and make my face hot. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Do you understand that the world is not always black and white?
I'd have to dig to find my source for it (I posted it probably a month ago), but it seems like it was like 30-40% reduction in particles for the wearer and 70-80% reduction of particles getting out.
What size particulate? I am guessing but I would think a microscopic COVID 19 spore whatever you call it would go through a dust mask like a dandelion seed floats through a chain-link fence. [Reply]
Originally Posted by srvy:
What size particulate? I am guessing but I would think a microscopic COVID 19 spore whatever you call it would go through a dust mask like a dandelion seed floats through a chain-link fence.
It's not about the size of the COVID particle itself - it's about the droplet of saliva it's floating around in. And those vary in size significantly. The smallest ones will go right through, yes. The largest ones don't. That's why it's not 0% or 100% in either case. [Reply]