Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Hes saying there isnt enough data. Fine. What about the ICU doctors who have said it's not helping their sickest patients? I'll trust those folks over the calvary of posters on a message board who said this thing was the flu and only parrot what a certain politician said. Those people have continously proven themselves wrong in this thread.
Read the studies?
It's been addressed and acknowledged. For the sickest patients it appears that administration has come after the cytokine storm and this does nothing to alleviate THOSE problems. By the time that's taken place, there's little in the way of promising therapeutic options right now.
But the positive developments are coming in those that are treated earlier.
I suggest you not 'trust' what any single source says because right now it sure sounds like you're operating from about 30% of the knowledge needed to offer even a nominally informed opinion.
Now there's not a clear answer out there, but there's enough information to suggest that you should be a damn sight more open-minded about the possibilities than you are.
I still say there's a 60/40 shot at best that this thing becomes a 'go to' treatment protocol and that even if it does, it would only reach peak effectiveness if we have large-scale testing that allows it to be used earlier enough to be most efficient and effective.
But shit man, you sure do pick and choose when/how you're willing to slam the door on an argument based on incomplete information. [Reply]
Originally Posted by SupDock:
You lack the ability to critically analyze information. That makes it really frustrating to debate with you.
You mean I am not saying what you want to hear and you don't like it. Do you have proof this didn't work with the people who claim it worked for them? [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
No, you asked me to validate an assumption. You did not ask me a question. A question would have been "do you think they should give this drug to people?".
An assumption is what you said.
Did you see the "correct" part? Asking you to validate or repudiate an assumption IS a question, pete. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
Did you see the "correct" part? Asking you to validate or repudiate an assumption IS a question, pete.
Yes, that is what made your question and assumption. No it ins't. It's you making an asinine assumption to try and play your typical bullshit games. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Hes saying there isnt enough data. Fine. What about the ICU doctors who have said it's not helping their sickest patients? I'll trust those folks over the calvary of posters on a message board who said this thing was the flu and only parrot what a certain politician said. Those people have continously proven themselves wrong in this thread.
"No miraculous recovery": Some ICU doctors say hydroxychloroquine isn't helping the sickest patients https://t.co/qs5WiA3ZdN
Originally Posted by Titty Meat: :-) it wasnt an NBC piece where I read it at. I see where you are going with this and all the nutty shit you've posted . Keep it to DC please.
ok?
From the Piece you CLEARLY referenced (To be fair you might have read it on another site) [Reply]
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Feel free to not take a drug that is safe, and cheap. By all means, all the Doctors and Governments buying the drug must be doing it on a hunch.
Nah you got it, I mean the 2005 Study of the drug for SARS showed it to be very good for preventative measures to that virus.
But nah dismiss it,
It's not safe for everyone, moron and there's been absolutely ZERO confirmed proof by a peer reviewed study that states otherwise.
And stop with this shit. Your ass should have been booted a LONG time ago but for some reason, the Mods either don't understand your coded posts or just don't care.
But stop with the conspiracy fucking horseshit. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
You mean I am not saying what you want to hear and you don't like it. Do you have proof this didn't work with the people who claim it worked for them?
I dont need to prove something didn't work when there is not evidence that it did work. That's not how the burden of proof works here
I am hopeful it will prove effective, but there isn't nearly enough evidence at this point.
There are plenty of people taking supplements that don't do anything, and are claiming they are miracle drugs. [Reply]
