You're quoting PFF and you tell me I don't know what I'm talking about?!

Yes. Its a great offense for Allen and Daboll learned a lot about college game when he had to leave NFL. He's a head coach soon.
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OBJ didn't help, for whatever reason. He made things worse. Njoku has been . . . off. And Jarvis is very good, but isn't in the same ballpark as Diggs.

And coaching is huge as well. Especially for the first 2-3 years of a QB's career.

Look, believe whatever you want. You asked, I answered based on my perspective of what both QBs have faced this season, irrespective of SoS. One has benefited from a stable coaching situation and the addition of a future HOFer at a key position. The other has had to learn a new system and a new personality at HC/OC, had to deal with an OL that's still gelling, and whatever issue they were having with OBJ before he got hurt.

All of this seems pretty obvious, if you stop looking at the raw stats for an hour or so.:-)
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True.

Just strange to see such wrong opinions on Allen (like the person saying he is a 1 read QB, when he is one of the top rated QB's in the league when he is forced past his first read).

Just blatantly wrong stuff.
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I appreciate your perspective.

Just feels like you're trying hard to force a narrative that just isn't there.

Allen is somehow magically better in every statistical category, because of 1 WR ... when Mayfield has a top 5 WR himself. Plus a top 15 WR.

Most analysts (who hated Allen) simply finally admitted "I was wrong".

Some people want to stick with the narrative though.
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If you think Allen is a 1 read QB, then yes, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Allen has had much criticism throughout his career, but not going through his progressions is NOT one of them.

You just pulled that out of your butt lol

He is constantly going through his progressions and buying time, trying to find someone.

A few plays of Josh Allen creating on the move against the 49ers :fire emoji: pic.twitter.com/qIyKcsA6hZ

— Michael Kist (@MichaelKistNFL) December 9, 2020

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No, it tells me you don't know shit. But then again, you're from Buffalo so the standard for QB play there is pretty low.


I have watched enough Allen staring at his first read. And a checkdown is not a "progression".
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Actually, a checkdown is a QB's last read in their progression.

But no one mentioned a checkdown and Allen rarely ever checks down.

You got caught talking out of your butt. Sorry.
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Huh? The game was tied at halftime.
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Most TV analysts play the hot take game. And then double down for ratings. Then flip their opinion for, wait for it, ratings. Reference how the Sports TV analysts of the world were all over Lamar being a top 3 QB just a season ago, in spite of the fact that he was inconsistent with his accuracy at all levels, continued to throw with no anticipation, and continues to have issues with his pre-snap reads.

All I'm saying is I'm going to wait to see how things progress, or not, for Allen before I change my mind.

Right now, my opinion is that he's a great talent, that still has a lot to learn about being a QB. But Diggs is hiding some of these issues this season through his elite play. Take Diggs out, and does Josh revert to 2019 Josh? The Josh that played against HOU in the playoffs? Or has he actually matured past that 'performance'?

i guess we'll find out sometime down the road.
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Go play in traffic dumbass. We don't have time for moron trolls like you.
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Fair enough.

Agree to disagree.

Good talk!
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Next time, don't just say a cliche football expression hoping it's true.

That way you won't look so bad.

See how Megatron and I had a lengthy discussion? It's because we both know what we are talking about. We just disagree on the conclusion.

You on the other hand, are just saying things and hoping that they might apply.
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I think Allen is better than Mayfield

And I think Watson is better than Allen. Deshaun Watson seems to be improving every year
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I think Kurt Warner knows more than PFF which doesn't evaluate QB play well.

The concept of “ceiling” is different to Warner than it is to you or I. He doesn’t view “ceiling” through the lens of a QB’s physical ability. He doesn’t see a rocket arm or breakneck speed or did-he-just-do-that!? improvisation and project greatness.

No, to Warner, ceiling is all mental. All how a quarterback processes the game.

After all, that’s how a Barnstormin’ cast-off essentially changes offensive football.

Warner studies Allen. Warner has concerns.

Over the summer, he re-watched every snap of the Bills’ playoff loss to the Texans and… yikes. It was bad. Allen missed “lay-up” after “lay-up.” His unusual frame stood out then. Warner is a firm believer that it’s extremely difficult for lanky, 6-foot-5 quarterbacks to ever become rhythmic passers. Peyton Manning was tall, sure, but “still compact,” Warner notes. In Allen, he sees “long levers” and Warner believes it’s extremely difficult for any quarterback with such levers to condense everything into a concise throwing motion that lasts.

And even as Allen then torched the league with an MVP-caliber September, even as millions of us believed we were witnessing a young QB turning the corner and anyone who ever uttered a bad word about Allen was told to repent for their sins, Warner saw something else. Warner saw a quarterback making (very) simple throws to (very) fast receivers. A quarterback who, frankly, didn’t need to use his brain much. As defenses started getting more exotic in coverage with their zones, Allen regressed. Allen lacked a counterpunch. Hence, the JV-level picks vs. the Titans and the near picks vs. the NFL’s worst team and the fumbles (he’s up to 28 in 38 starts). After that 4-0 start, Buffalo lost to two AFC powers and wobbled to wins over two AFC lightweights with Allen completing 62.7 percent of his passes for 211.5 yards per game, four scores, four picks and a 79.2 passer rating.

“When you get man to man, you don’t have to process the information,” Warner says. “It’s just ‘Pick a match-up that you like, and go.’ And, so, it’s a great thing for young guys because it comes down to the physicality more than it comes down to the mental side of it. When you add the mental side to it — with a guy who’s still learning how to play the position like Josh and still learning how to process and, at times, gets antsy in the pocket — all this stuff starts to stack on top of each other. And that is when you have your inefficiencies.

One high-ranking AFC exec vacillates between two comps. First, he calls Allen “a more exciting Kirk Cousins” because, to him, Allen is good enough to get the Bills to the playoffs but bad enough to keep them from going too far. He points out that defenses know they simply have to confuse him, so there’s also “a Daunte Culpepper feel” here. He believes that, like Culpepper, defenses will shut Allen down for good in one or two years.

“That, to me, becomes the ultimate question with this new-era of quarterback. How long can they sustain what they’re doing to have their statistical success before it’s going to have to adjust? And if they do or if they don’t will determine how long they play in this game and at that level.”

Thus, it’s pretty simple for the Bills. Until Allen develops that counter, they are a 10-6, 11-5 team that will run into the buzz saw that is Mahomes.

https://www.golongtd.com/p/part-ii-t...-on-josh-allen
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Jarvis is not a top-5 WR. He doesn't even break into the top-15 in any major receiving category this season. Diggs is top-5 in most WR categories. They aren't even close to being on the same level.

And who's this top-15 guy? Because I can't find him either.
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