Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
The effort is to keep people employed. If people can return to work instead of looking for a new job it will be a tremendous relief on the economy when things start to loosen up.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Yeah, but lines like that are never bright line and will slide really quickly. That's why I asked if it's a 'wink/nod' sorta thing. Is there a true black-letter definition of 'end of the line'? That wouldn't seem terribly likely.
Who's really going to call physicians on the carpet for it?
Is this just the FDA protecting themselves if things go completely haywire and this thing goes sideways in a month? "Hey, we told physicians not to go throwing these out all willy nilly until it was tested further. Not our fault they did it any contradiction of federal guidelines..."
It just sounds like a shifting of liability more than a true bright line cut-off.
Compassionate use exemptions are get out of jail free cards for providers. The drugs they get are in very limited supply, and the manufacturer sees only upside from it because if it works, it's a miracle, and if it fails they were dead anyway. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
One of my best friends is an ER doctor of 20 years that runs an ER at UCLA and at a hospital 10 minutes from my home.
I'll take that person's word over yours, pete.
STOP POSTING FALSE INFORMATION.
Good for him. I don't give a fuck who you know. I work for a health system that is actually dealing with this shit. Now go back in your plastic bubble and cry because people in Hollywood are out walking around. [Reply]
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -- Saint Luke’s Health System has two - soon to be three - COVID-19 drive-thru testing sites up and running.
The appointment-only drive-thru sites are available to Saint Luke’s patients and employees who have been referred by Saint Luke’s physicians.
Current locations include Blue Springs, Shoal Creek in the Northland, and soon, Mission Farms in Overland Park.
Only patients or employees who meet the following criteria are eligible for this testing:
1. Fever of 100 degrees or higher, a new cough, or shortness of breath, AND
2. Are (a) immunocompromised, (b) have been exposed to someone with known or suspected COVID-19, OR (c) work in a health care setting
Again, this drive-thru testing is by appointment only and requires a physician referral. Those without a referral or an appointment will not be tested.
With the increasing number of cases due to community spread in our area, Saint Luke’s is working diligently to prioritize testing of those who are at greater risk. Most cases of COVID-19 are mild and don’t require medical treatment.
If you have the symptoms listed above, but no additional risk factors, you should self-isolate for 14 days. Limit your contact with others in your household as much as possible and monitor your symptoms. If symptoms worsen, contact your provider or seek emergency care.
Saint Luke’s is asking for everyone’s help to protect the community by following CDC guidance on how we can prevent the spread of infection, including social distancing, vigilant hand hygiene, staying home when sick, avoiding close contact with people who are ill, avoiding touching your face, covering coughs or sneezes with a tissue and then throwing the tissue in the trash, and regularly cleaning and disinfecting frequently touched objects and surfaces. [Reply]
The bottom line is that we just don't know very much at this point in time because not even 5% of the population has been tested, let alone, 25% or 50%.
I understand your point of view, but you realize even South Korea hasn't tested even 1% of their population. [Reply]
Originally Posted by neech:
Yeah I heard your state is about to shutdown.
Already happening. As of now, the title company is remaining open to do the close, just need someone from our attorney's office to show up, and me of course. Movers have confirmed that they are considered essential transportation. Comcast assuring they'll show up to do the cable install.
Not an ideal situation but me and mine are healthy for the time being. [Reply]
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -- Saint Luke’s Health System has two - soon to be three - COVID-19 drive-thru testing sites up and running.
The appointment-only drive-thru sites are available to Saint Luke’s patients and employees who have been referred by Saint Luke’s physicians.
Current locations include Blue Springs, Shoal Creek in the Northland, and soon, Mission Farms in Overland Park.
Only patients or employees who meet the following criteria are eligible for this testing:
1. Fever of 100 degrees or higher, a new cough, or shortness of breath, AND
2. Are (a) immunocompromised, (b) have been exposed to someone with known or suspected COVID-19, OR (c) work in a health care setting
Again, this drive-thru testing is by appointment only and requires a physician referral. Those without a referral or an appointment will not be tested.
With the increasing number of cases due to community spread in our area, Saint Luke’s is working diligently to prioritize testing of those who are at greater risk. Most cases of COVID-19 are mild and don’t require medical treatment.
If you have the symptoms listed above, but no additional risk factors, you should self-isolate for 14 days. Limit your contact with others in your household as much as possible and monitor your symptoms. If symptoms worsen, contact your provider or seek emergency care.
Saint Luke’s is asking for everyone’s help to protect the community by following CDC guidance on how we can prevent the spread of infection, including social distancing, vigilant hand hygiene, staying home when sick, avoiding close contact with people who are ill, avoiding touching your face, covering coughs or sneezes with a tissue and then throwing the tissue in the trash, and regularly cleaning and disinfecting frequently touched objects and surfaces.
We are doing all we can, contrary to what some think they know. I have spent the better part of the last two weeks working with teams to implement measures to keep nurses and doctors as safe as we can while dealing with patients who isolated. As well as working out ways so the patients can communicate with their families while isolated. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Good for him. I don't give a fuck who you know. I work for a health system that is actually dealing with this shit. Now go back in your plastic bubble and cry because people in Hollywood are out walking around.
WTF is wrong with you?
You've had 59 jobs since you joined Chiefsplanet and ARE NOT a health care professional.
Do you think that 40 million people would be on LOCKDOWN if anyone could just get a test?
Do you think that other states would shut down their academic school year if anyone and everyone could just get a test?
Originally Posted by petegz28:
We are doing all we can, contrary to what some think they know. I have spent the better part of the last two weeks working with teams to implement measures to keep nurses and doctors as safe as we can while dealing with patients who isolated. As well as working out ways so the patients can communicate with their families while isolated.
Do you still think masks don't do jack shit, pete? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
Do you still think masks don't do jack shit, pete?
The masks that most people are wearing? they don't do shit. And the doctors here will tell you that. Washing your hands and keeping away from sick people is the best thing still. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
WTF is wrong with you?
You've had 59 jobs since you joined Chiefsplanet and ARE NOT a health care professional.
Do you think that 40 million people would be on LOCKDOWN if anyone could just get a test?
Do you think that other states would shut down their academic school year if anyone and everyone could just get a test?
You're COMPLETELY full of shit.
Not only are you pretentious, you have a reading comprehension problem. Please just out me on ignore and go back in your bubble and cry because we haven't tested 350 million people. [Reply]
I work in Springfield, MO. I work 4 10's. In a time a lot of businesses are shutting their doors, a lot of guys were required to work today. People took notice. [Reply]