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Nzoner's Game Room>Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
DaFace 01:06 PM 09-29-2018
Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.
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TRR 10:54 AM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
If he only had the minor surgery he could absolutely have been bearing full weight on it for weeks.
Which makes sense. Could be my imagination but it felt like Berry disappeared for a few weeks before reappearing with reports of him doing individual work.
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mcaj22 10:57 AM 10-20-2018
he's definitely getting cut or traded in the offseason if he went rogue with a surgery
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Hammock Parties 10:57 AM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by mcaj22:
he's definitely getting cut or traded in the offseason if he went rogue with a surgery
they won't cut the defensive MVP after he hoists the Lombardi
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Marcellus 12:05 PM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
Why would he not tell the team?
Its possible the team knows and just didnt agree.
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bigjosh 12:24 PM 10-20-2018
At least his cap number climbs to 16million next season.

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-King- 12:33 PM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Its possible the team knows and just didnt agree.
If the team knew he'd got a surgery behind their back, he would have already been cut or forced to take a pay cut. That's the type of thing they'd be able to cut him for and be able to fight to not pay out his guaranteed money.
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Pants 12:44 PM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
This guy thinks Berry had surgery and didn't tell the Chiefs.
Clay. Stop it. That dude is clearly fucking crazy.
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Marcellus 12:47 PM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by -King-:
If the team knew he'd got a surgery behind their back, he would have already been cut or forced to take a pay cut. That's the type of thing they'd be able to cut him for and be able to fight to not pay out his guaranteed money.
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I dont believe this to be the case. Do you think teams and players dont have disagreements on treatments from time to time?

Im not saying Berry told them **** off he was doing what he wanted but its possible there were a few options available and he took surgery when they wanted him to play through it.

Not really worth burning the house down over.

:-)

Edit: Not saying I believe he had surgery just thinking about the whole scenario
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GloryDayz 01:13 PM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by TLO:
So he's not playing tomorrow, I'm guessing?
I suspect not.
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GloryDayz 01:14 PM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
they won't cut the defensive MVP after he hoists the Lombardi
Mahomes playing D now too?
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htismaqe 01:19 PM 10-20-2018
If he went and had surgery against the team's wishes, there would absolutely be repercussions.
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Marcellus 01:22 PM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
If he went and had surgery against the team's wishes, there would absolutely be repercussions.
The more I think about it the less likely I think this is the case but really what could the team actually do?

Nothing.
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htismaqe 01:24 PM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
The more I think about it the less likely I think this is the case but really what could the team actually do?

Nothing.
I don't think it's likely. But yeah, they absolutely could do something. If he went and had medical treatment against the advice of team doctors, or even without the team's permission, there would be a problem. I'm guessing all NFL contracts have protections against this.
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GloryDayz 01:26 PM 10-20-2018
Berry has managed to turn the Chiefs into a Soap Opera. He can't produce on the field and he's turned the team into a Soap Opera, what an ass!
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Marcellus 01:28 PM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
I don't think it's likely. But yeah, they absolutely could do something. If he went and had medical treatment against the advice of team doctors, or even without the team's permission, there would be a problem. I'm guessing all NFL contracts have protections against this.
I doubt it. Its just as likely a contract could have a provision that its ultimately up to the player to do what he thinks is right for his body. :-)

You look at HIPPA laws and such and medical treatment and privacy are very much in favor of the patient.

Throw in that the dude worked his ass off while getting chemo to come back and play and it would be a PR nightmare for he Chiefs to punish Berry for having a disagreement over treatment of an injury. Besides the Chiefs arent that kind of organization, they are player oriented which is why the Maclin getting cut like he did thing didn't go over well with Clark and Andy.
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