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The Lounge>***Official 2020 STL Cardinals Thread***
BigRedChief 01:21 PM 02-13-2020
Pitchers and catchers have reported to spring training. I'll keep this opening post updated with trade/roster moves etc through spring training.


For the new Cardianl fans that joined the Planet since last year.....
2019 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=320239
2018 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=312812
2012 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=254619
etc.
All the way back to 2006 WS
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=312812
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BigRedChief 01:22 PM 02-13-2020
One non-Cardinals issue that I don't get it why are the players not being punished for cheating?

Knowing whether a fastball or off speed stuff is coming is a HUGE advantage to a hitter. To get that information through electronic means is a line that was crossed.

Pete Rose never cheated to win a game. He bet on his own team to win. Wrong, yeah but lifetime ban. These players that cheated are getting off without any punishment. Why?
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Mecca 01:31 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
One non-Cardinals issue that I don't get it why are the players not being punished for cheating?

Knowing whether a fastball or off speed stuff is coming is a HUGE advantage to a hitter. To get that information through electronic means is a line that was crossed.

Pete Rose never cheated to win a game. He bet on his own team to win. Wrong, yeah but lifetime ban. These players that cheated are getting off without any punishment. Why?
The players were told before the investigation started they wouldn't be punished because they wanted them to cooperate, they felt that if they handed down punishments no one would say anything.

Also they are very close to having to negotiate a new CBA and this would cause a massive issues with the players union.

To add to your other point, anything involving gambling is going to be punished much much harder than stealing signs to win a game.
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alpha_omega 01:32 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
One non-Cardinals issue that I don't get it why are the players not being punished for cheating?....
'Cause there are too many of them.
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The Franchise 01:33 PM 02-13-2020
Fuck the Astros.
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BigRedChief 01:39 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
The players were told before the investigation started they wouldn't be punished because they wanted them to cooperate, they felt that if they handed down punishments no one would say anything.

Also they are very close to having to negotiate a new CBA and this would cause a massive issues with the players union.

To add to your other point, anything involving gambling is going to be punished much much harder than stealing signs to win a game.
So they turned "state witness's" against their coaches to get off of punishment? is this public info or what you think happened?
Originally Posted by Mecca:
To add to your other point, anything involving gambling is going to be punished much much harder than stealing signs to win a game.
In general, I agree but doesn't mean that cheating at this level, that influences that game so much goes unpunished, its going to happen again. I could set something up right now using simple bluetooth tech for the players that no one would ever find on them with a physical search.
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Mecca 01:40 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
So they turned "state witness's" against their coaches to get off of punishment? is this public info or what you think happened?
No it did happen, I read on ESPN that the players were all told they would be given no punishment, it was their way of getting them to speak on the issue. If anyone involved would get punished why would any of them have ever said anything?
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BigRedChief 01:49 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
No it did happen, I read on ESPN that the players were all told they would be given no punishment, it was their way of getting them to speak on the issue. If anyone involved would get punished why would any of them have ever said anything?
I didnt mean to question your info, just asked to make sure its public info now.

Also I can get film from your catchers and coaches signals for years. Thrown those data points into big data and use A.I. analytics to tell you what is used for the key to change the signs, what is usually the sign for this or that.

MLB cant stick their heads in the sand. This tech is easily available now for any john doe off the street. Some team is going to use it.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 01:51 PM 02-13-2020
It should be nothing but fastballs to the wrist for Bregman and Altuve for the next three years.
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Mecca 01:57 PM 02-13-2020
The thing that is fucked about this is Houston could legit go back to the WS this year.
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Pasta Giant Meatball 02:12 PM 02-13-2020
So, Bonds should be a hall of Famer then if this shit goes unpunished
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'Hamas' Jenkins 02:15 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
The thing that is fucked about this is Houston could legit go back to the WS this year.
They could, but there are 145 other starting pitchers. They can't suspend all of them and Houston can't play star-for-star. I'm serious: break their wrists and this will never happen again. It's time for them to run the gauntlet.
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Hoover 03:17 PM 02-13-2020
Reds are winning the NL Central this year, STL, MIL, and CHI are all pretenders.
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Marcellus 03:36 PM 02-13-2020
I guess now we know why Jeff Albert didn't get the same results as hitting coach for the Cards last year.
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BigRedChief 05:43 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by Hoover:
Reds are winning the NL Central this year, STL, MIL, and CHI are all pretenders.
thats the trendy pick. Kind of like the baseball equivalent of the annual Chargers are going to the Super Bowl pick.
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