PFF is fucking garbage, especially when it comes to offensive lineman because none of their "graders" know the lineman's assignment, so there's absolutely no way they can "judge" pr grade performances. [Reply]
Here's the thing: it doesn't really matter whether you use PFF's site/articles/conclusions; it's really just an alternative method of interpreting data. Data that everyone has, and that everyone will interpret however they see fit.
What can't be argued is that Reiter isn't a great run-blocker, but he is better than average as a pass-blocker.
However, Reiter managed to perform adequately throughout the playoffs; not great, but not badly. Good enough to help the team get a SuperBowl win.
But he's been basically a JAG since he became the starting C. I don't think anyone disputes that either.
Kilgore is simply a guy that grades out as a better run-blocker than Reiter. Whether he would actually be a better C is another question. Never watched the guy play so I have no idea.
But it would be nice if the guy at least gave Reiter some serious competition; made him work to be better, wouldn't it? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Here's the thing: it doesn't really matter whether you use PFF's site/articles/conclusions; it's really just an alternative method of interpreting data. Data that everyone has, and that everyone will interpret however they see fit.
What can't be argued is that Reiter isn't a great run-blocker, but he is better than average as a pass-blocker.
However, Reiter managed to perform adequately throughout the playoffs; not great, but not badly. Good enough to help the team get a SuperBowl win.
But he's been basically a JAG since he became the starting C. I don't think anyone disputes that either.
Kilgore is simply a guy that grades out as a better run-blocker than Reiter. Whether he would actually be a better C is another question. Never watched the guy play so I have no idea.
But it would be nice if the guy at least gave Reiter some serious competition; made him work to be better, wouldn't it?
Exactly. It’s also just nice to have another proven starter in case Reiter goes down. I don’t want to see Mahomes taking snaps from some UDFA who doesn’t even get to play any preseason games this year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Here's the thing: it doesn't really matter whether you use PFF's site/articles/conclusions; it's really just an alternative method of interpreting data. Data that everyone has, and that everyone will interpret however they see fit.
It's a freaking joke that was started by a British guy years and years ago.
No one has a football coaching background - they hire anyone that wants to work for them. I've spoken to several NFL coaches, agents and college coaches that have all said it's a joke, too.
Subscribing for entertainment value is fine but don't try to build an argument for or against a player using their dopey rating system. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Here's the thing: it doesn't really matter whether you use PFF's site/articles/conclusions; it's really just an alternative method of interpreting data. Data that everyone has, and that everyone will interpret however they see fit.
What can't be argued is that Reiter isn't a great run-blocker, but he is better than average as a pass-blocker.
However, Reiter managed to perform adequately throughout the playoffs; not great, but not badly. Good enough to help the team get a SuperBowl win.
But he's been basically a JAG since he became the starting C. I don't think anyone disputes that either.
Kilgore is simply a guy that grades out as a better run-blocker than Reiter. Whether he would actually be a better C is another question. Never watched the guy play so I have no idea.
But it would be nice if the guy at least gave Reiter some serious competition; made him work to be better, wouldn't it?
I'd rather we have somebody challenge or depose Andrew Wylie from one of the guard spots, since I don't think we plan on starting anybody else.
People can bang the Martinas Rankin drum all they want, but he was an injury replacement for Wylie last year and only lasted a couple weeks. There's no guarantee he'll be healthy or that Reid will give him the nod as the starter over Wylie. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR: I'd rather we have somebody challenge or depose Andrew Wylie from one of the guard spots, since I don't think we plan on starting anybody else.
People can bang the Martinas Rankin drum all they want, but he was an injury replacement for Wylie last year and only lasted a couple weeks. There's no guarantee he'll be healthy or that Reid will give him the nod as the starter over Wylie.
Totally agree. Wylie wasn't any better than Reiter, IMO, and I was really hoping Niang would take over at LG before too long. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
It's a freaking joke that was started by a British guy years and years ago.
No one has a football coaching background - they hire anyone that wants to work for them. I've spoken to several NFL coaches, agents and college coaches that have all said it's a joke, too.
Subscribing for entertainment value is fine but don't try to build an argument for or against a player using their dopey rating system.
Ah, I didn't. I quite clearly stated in my OP in this thread that according to SI and Chiefswire AND PFF . . . in other words, I cited three separate sources which all happened to come to the same conclusion.
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
It's a freaking joke that was started by a British guy years and years ago.
No one has a football coaching background - they hire anyone that wants to work for them. I've spoken to several NFL coaches, agents and college coaches that have all said it's a joke, too.
Subscribing for entertainment value is fine but don't try to build an argument for or against a player using their dopey rating system.
Ah, I didn't. I quite clearly stated in my OP in this thread that according to SI and Chiefswire AND PFF . . . in other words, I cited three separate sources which all happened to come to the same conclusion.
And as i recall, it was Chiefsware that referenced PFF, not me.
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Ah, I didn't. I quite clearly stated in my OP in this thread that according to SI and Chiefswire And as i recall, it was Chiefsware that referenced PFF, not me.
Make sense now?
I was responding to this post of yours:
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Here's the thing: it doesn't really matter whether you use PFF's site/articles/conclusions; it's really just an alternative method of interpreting data. Data that everyone has, and that everyone will interpret however they see fit.
Most NFL teams have embraced metrics of some sort but only those teams and coaches know exactly how to grade their players because they're the only people that know where each player should be in regards to their assignments on any given play.
The people at PFF have no clue as to each offensive lineman's assignment - they're guessing.
And since they have no idea what each player's assignment is on any given play, their "ratings" are arbitrary and meaningless. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
I was responding to this post of yours:
Most NFL teams have embraced metrics of some sort but only those teams and coaches know exactly how to grade their players because they're the only people that know where each player should be in regards to their assignments on any given play.
The people at PFF have no clue as to each offensive lineman's assignment - they're guessing.
And since they have no idea what each player's assignment is on any given play, their "ratings" are arbitrary and meaningless.
Was I incorrect? I'm pretty sure that PFF uses some kind of in-house algorithm to grade players, right? My point in that particular post was simply that PFF has access to and uses exactly the same raw data as everyone else. They don't make up data. Then they put it through their own 'analysis' or whatever and come to whatever their conclusions are. And most other outlets do exactly the same thing; they collect the data they're interested in and then run it through whatever algorithms they like to use, is that not correct?
Now here's the thing: no one's 'metrics' or algorithms or whatever are 100% accurate because humans invented them. So they're all flawed in some way.
In fact, I don't like depending on just metrics (mathematical constructs) to analyze/judge human performance because I know none of them are 100% reliable. If it were possible, I'd rather have a conclave of NFL position coaches and elite level players at those positions doing the analyzing; I think you'd get a lot closer to the actual truth most of the time.
So my point in that post was simply that PFF is just one of many sources/sites out there in the ether that use some kind of algorithm to come up with their arguments/positions/whatever. Use them or not, they all have access to the same information before they start running it through their computers. We as the consumers have to decide what's valid/relevant or not.