Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
This is the same mentality that existed when Pioli signed shit players like Mike Goff. "Pioli was the Executive of the Year!".
Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief:
We’re comparing Veach and Reid’s judgement to Pioli’s now?
Ok.
No, I'm talking about YOU.
Kilgore is a JAG. He's one of the few centers available on the market right now and the Chiefs signed him so that he can learn the offense, just in case he's needed at some point in the season.
But he's not a Starter, nor is he "high quality". He's just a guy that's played in the league before that knows the drill. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
No, I'm talking about YOU.
Kilgore is a JAG. He's one of the few centers available on the market right now and the Chiefs signed him so that he can learn the offense, just in case he's needed at some point in the season.
But he's not a Starter, nor is he "high quality". He's just a guy that's played in the league before that knows the drill.
All I said was he was a nice addition this late into things and will provide nice depth and competition. I don’t remember saying he was some kind savior.
You’re getting a little riled up over nothing so I think I’ll just move along.
Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief:
All I said was he was a nice addition this late into things and will provide nice depth and competition. I don’t remember saying he was some kind savior.
You’re getting a little riled up over nothing so I think I’ll just move along.
Thanks for the chat.
I'm not "riled" up over your posts or this signing.
He's another in a long line of JAG's that the Chiefs sign every offseason and training camp at an important position that people think will help but inevitably, doesn't.
Again, the man hasn't been on a team with a winning record in 8 years. I think that pretty much says it all for this player and it will suck ass if he actually sees the field. [Reply]
In fact, Reuter is probably in the top half of centers in the League. Unfortunately, Hudson and Morse are probably Top 10, with Hudson likely the best. [Reply]
According to Chiefswire and PFF and SI, Kilgore grades slightly better in pass-blocking and significantly better at run-blocking than Reiter. Though Reiter graded very poorly at run blocking last year (bottom third), while Kilgore rates as about average. But it could be an improvement from a run-blocking standpoint.
Point being, Reiter was the weakest starting OL we had last season. Especially run-blocking. For perspective, Wylie was rated as a better run-blocker than Reiter last season. And we weren't impressed with Wylie were we? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
In fact, Reuter is probably in the top half of centers in the League. Unfortunately, Hudson and Morse are probably Top 10, with Hudson likely the best.
Reiter was ranked 9th or 12th. But his run-blocking rank was firmly in the bottom third. [Reply]
Kilgore or any of the interior guys for that matter dont have to be great just average especially since we have top 10 bookend tackles. This kinda what Andy has always done with the interior with the exception of Hudson for a few years and spending a 2nd on Morse, it's always kinda been a rental position on the interior and it's always worked besides 2014 when we had McGloyn play alot of games and sucked. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
According to Chiefswire and PFF and SI, Kilgore grades slightly better in pass-blocking and significantly better at run-blocking than Reiter. Though Reiter graded very poorly at run blocking last year (bottom third), while Kilgore rates as about average. But it could be an improvement from a run-blocking standpoint.
Point being, Reiter was the weakest starting OL we had last season. Especially run-blocking. For perspective, Wylie was rated as a better run-blocker than Reiter last season. And we weren't impressed with Wylie were we?
Reiter is simply not very good. He got his shit pushed in constantly last year.
I honestly think Kilgore was offered a chance to compete for the starting job. As much as people think Kilgore is just average, he’s still better than Reiter. By a decent margin. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Reiter was ranked 9th or 12th. But his run-blocking rank was firmly in the bottom third.
The Chiefs had two consecutive 12-4 seasons with Reiter playing the overwhelming majority of games at center the past two seasons, including the playoffs.
If the Chiefs wanted an All Pro at center, they'd have paid Rodney Hudson $9 million per or Mitch Concussion Morse $11 million, which would have meant the Chiefs would have needed to make decisions about Tyreek Hill and other players that weren't necessary by letting Morse walk.
Reiter is fine. He's not great but he's fine and certainly good enough to win a championship with, especially if he's playing next to the same guards for 19 straight games. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief:
Reiter is simply not very good. He got his shit pushed in constantly last year.
I honestly think Kilgore was offered a chance to compete for the starting job. As much as people think Kilgore is just average, he’s still better than Reiter. By a decent margin.
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
The Chiefs had two consecutive 12-4 seasons with Reiter playing the overwhelming majority of games at center the past two seasons, including the playoffs.
If the Chiefs wanted an All Pro at center, they'd have paid Rodney Hudson $9 million per or Mitch Concussion Morse $11 million, which would have meant the Chiefs would have needed to make decisions about Tyreek Hill and other players that weren't necessary by letting Morse walk.
Reiter is fine. He's not great but he's fine and certainly good enough to win a championship with, especially if he's playing next to the same guards for 19 straight games.
Reiter was below average last season, and not great in 2018. That's not in dispute. And the fact that the Chiefs went 12-4 twice in a row with him at C had a lot more to do with Mahomes' elusiveness/pocket presence and Andy Reid's play designs than it does with Reiter's level of play. Again, these are just the facts.
And while it would be nice to have an All-Pro C, I don't think anyone was thinking Kilgore is that guy. I certainly don't. But according to the three sources I looked up Kilgore does grade as a better run-blocker than Reiter, and just as good a pass-blocker. Not sure why you're all pent-up about these facts. But whatever makes you happy, skippy. [Reply]
Your argument that they’ve been 12-4 the last two seasons with Reiter at center is not relevant. It doesn’t mean they won’t try to improve the position if they see a guy out there they think might do a better job.
If your argument is that Kilgore is “JAG,” well so is Reiter, even more so actually. If it wasn’t for KC giving him a shot and grooming him he’d probably be out of the league. He also has no contract after this year.
There’s no commitment to him long term so I’m sure they are more than fine with replacing him. Again, all I’m saying is if he’s struggling in camp they will not hesitate to pull the plug. [Reply]
