Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
There was a study done by the government in 2006 that came to the conclusion that once infection reached a certain percentage lock downs would cause more harm than good [Reply]
Originally Posted by Strongside:
So Italy takes the most aggressive stance, effectively putting their entire country in a vice long before the Pandemic was declared - they suffer the worst casualties.
Sweden doesn't do shit. Says fuck it, we're going on with our lives - have one of the best results in the entire world.
Seems to back up this weirdness being claimed by some that the loosening of restrictions is actually decreasing infections.
Perhaps it will be revealed that this disease only infects the sedentary.
As Tom Petty said, "I don't know, but I been told, you never slow down, you never get COVID."
Are you talking economically? I'd agree with that. They're clearly not "one of the best results in the entire world" in terms of fatalities. [Reply]
For the most part the media has done nothing but release bullshit information and hasn't done any better than the idiot politicians grandstanding in the media informing the public the reality of this on going flu epidemic. To keep jabbering back in forth in this thread about the garbage being spewed forth with out true stats is meaningless. The real Stats are out here if your really concerned, go find them and then come back and post accordingly. It's frightening what we have been led to believe. [Reply]
Originally Posted by jackkked:
For the most part the media has done nothing but release bullshit information and hasn't done any better than the idiot politicians grandstanding in the media informing the public the reality of this on going flu epidemic. To keep jabbering back in forth in this thread about the garbage being spewed forth with out true stats is meaningless. The real Stats are out here if your really concerned, go find them and then come back and post accordingly. It's frightening what we have been led to believe.
Originally Posted by Strongside:
So Italy takes the most aggressive stance, effectively putting their entire country in a vice long before the Pandemic was declared - they suffer the worst casualties.
Sweden doesn't do shit. Says fuck it, we're going on with our lives - have one of the best results in the entire world.
Seems to back up this weirdness being claimed by some that the loosening of restrictions is actually decreasing infections.
Perhaps it will be revealed that this disease only infects the sedentary.
As Tom Petty said, "I don't know, but I been told, you never slow down, you never get COVID."
This is categorically false, BTW.
Italy didn't initiate a lockdown until March 9, well after their epidemic was on pace to be the worst in the world. They had 9172 cases by that point. When the US began issuing stay-at-home orders on March 15, they had 3600 cases with 5.5 times the population, which is to say that confirmed cases were 14 times higher in Italy per capita at the point of lockdown.
Sweden's per capita fatality rate is 9 times that of Norway and 7 times that of Finland, their two neighbors.
These aren't especially hard facts to find or understand, either. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
This is categorically false, BTW.
Italy didn't initiate a lockdown until March 9, well after their epidemic was on pace to be the worst in the world. They had 9172 cases by that point. When the US began issuing stay-at-home orders on March 15, they had 3600 cases with 5.5 times the population, which is to say that confirmed cases were 14 times higher in Italy per capita at the point of lockdown.
Sweden's per capita fatality rate is 9 times that of Norway and 7 times that of Finland, their two neighbors.
These aren't especially hard facts to find or understand, either.
The problem is that Stonsides are going around the world and the Internet just saying retadred shit and people see it and believe it because there's no 'Hamas' to correct the falsehoods. [Reply]
Sweden doesn't do shit. Says **** it, we're going on with our lives - have one of the best results in the entire world.
There's really no point in going through this again, but this is still a terrible argument. They're an entirely different culture from America. That is probably the funniest thing about this... all these people promoting Sweden when the things they do there would never fly here. In Sweden there is just way more trust in government than we'll ever have here.
It is a lot easier to say screw it when everybody has health care and nobody has to worry about hospital bills. And even then they have like 3800 deaths, their neighbors Finland and Norway have like 500, combined. [Reply]
Fat Elvis 05-20-2020, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13:
There's really no point in going through this again, but this is still a terrible argument. They're an entirely different culture from America. That is probably the funniest thing about this... all these people promoting Sweden when the things they do there would never fly here. In Sweden there is just way more trust in government than we'll ever have here.
It is a lot easier to say screw it when everybody has health care and nobody has to worry about hospital bills. And even then they have like 3800 deaths, their neighbors Finland and Norway have like 500, combined.
It's also false to say they haven't done anything in Sweden. They haven't had a "stay at home" order, but they have done a lot of other things like closing bars, closing schools, etc.
Apart from that, as people have said, if you live in a socialist country and the government has a very large role in your life, you're going to be a lot more willing to do what they say without questioning them.
Here, your governor tells you that you can't get a haircut even if they do it on the sidewalk in front of the shop one person at a time, and people are going to say "Screw you". In one of these welfare states people are more likely to just shrug and follow orders. [Reply]
Originally Posted by :
"The millions of casualties of a continued shutdown will be hiding in plain sight, but they will be called alcoholism, homelessness, suicide, heart attack, stroke, or kidney failure. In youths it will be called financial instability, unemployment, despair, drug addiction, unplanned pregnancies, poverty, and abuse."
Those are important issues, but they've all existed from the beginning of time, and are not directly caused by social distancing. That's some really weak reasoning to the point of being irrelevant. Yes, those issues could possibly be exacerbated by the shutdown. But that doesn't justify throwing out the idea of social distancing and eliminating mass gatherings when those things are proven to save lives. Those doctors should work on those individual problems directly. Because their argument sucks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Fish:
Those are important issues, but they've all existed from the beginning of time, and are not directly caused by social distancing. That's some really weak reasoning to the point of being irrelevant. Yes, those issues could possibly be exacerbated by the shutdown. But that doesn't justify throwing out the idea of social distancing and eliminating mass gatherings when those things are proven to save lives. Those doctors should work on those individual problems directly. Because their argument sucks.
The same people who are using these lines, are the people who gave exactly 2 shits about any of those issues until it affected their ability to profit off those people. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
The same people who are using these lines, are the people who gave exactly 2 shits about any of those issues until it affected their ability to profit off those people.
Originally Posted by Mecca:
The same people who are using these lines, are the people who gave exactly 2 shits about any of those issues until it affected their ability to profit off those people.
The same people ball washing "medical experts" now shit on a group of 600 doctors.
I figured that was coming in this thread. It's become group think for a bunch of leftys. [Reply]
