Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
I have to chuckle a bit at people that don't always have at least a few weeks of food in their homes at all times. Maybe it's from my Korean upbringing, but there's always a few months of food in the house. Most of it is pickled as various forms of kim-chi, salted meats, dried meats and vegetables, etc. and if I had to hole up in the house would last at a minimum 3-4 months. And that would be eating normally, three full meals a day. If I decided to ration the stuff I could probably make what I have right now last 8 months? 9?
Water would be a different story, as I don't hoard water, but I do take water to the gym 4 days a week, so every spring I buy 4 cases of bottled water, and reuse the bottles all year until the following spring. There's the water in the hot water tank and I have a hot tub I could pump out and replace with potable water if necessary. Just guessing, but that's probably at least a month or more of drinking water for two.
The house has solar panels (in AZ you're kinda stupid if you don't have these things) and I have a propane-fired generator that I actually use on hunting/camping trips I could use for power if I had to.
So when I hear about people panic buying just to get a couple weeks worth of food and water into their homes, I just find that hilarious.
But I don't think there's any point in panicking right now and hoarding a bunch of stuff. There's what? 3 cases of this virus in the U.S. right now? Chances are better than good that this goes away just like the bird flu . ..
Those are rookie numbers. I find it hilarious that you think you’re prepared... For anything. Other than delaying your eventual demise by a fraction. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Cheater5:
Those are rookie numbers. I find it hilarious that you think you’re prepared... For anything. Other than delaying your eventual demise by a fraction.
I'd love to see the color of the drapes in your bunker [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
87,472 confirmed cases. 2,990 deaths.
Yeah, but half of those are still sick so we don't know the outcome. If you focus just on the people who have a documented outcome, 6.5% of them died. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
More people probably get bad food poisoning from eating at Golden Corral during a typical week.
Do you really think the current level of concern is because of 73 cases? People are concerned -- not panicked -- about the possible trajectories. By the time the disease is widespread enough to have a legitimate "oh no!" moment, it will be too late to prepare. [Reply]
Originally Posted by wazu:
Yeah, but half of those are still sick so we don't know the outcome. If you focus just on the people who have a documented outcome, 6.5% of them died.
Correct. That's the mortality rate as of right now. Adding deaths to recovery and then dividing by deaths doesn't give you anything, really. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Cheater5:
Those are rookie numbers. I find it hilarious that you think you’re prepared... For anything. Other than delaying your eventual demise by a fraction.
Well, fortunately I'm a hunter. So if push comes to shove I simply put a 30-06 round through you and voila! Dinner is served. And I suddenly have all of your water and food. Problem solved. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mennonite:
Way ahead of you. I've already started scribbling down the names of the regular posters in the "What's for Dinner?" thread.
Surprised you're that anxious for heart disease [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
Correct. That's the mortality rate as of right now. Adding deaths to recovery and then dividing by deaths doesn't give you anything, really.
Everybody who currently has the disease will either recover, or die. Anybody who hasn't yet done one of those 2 things is an unknown. So the only cases that matter in terms of knowing the actual fatality rate are the people who either recovered or died.
Total people for whom the disease has run it's course: 45,660
Total people from the above group who died: 2,990
Fatality rate of people for whom the disease has run it's course: 6.5% [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Well, fortunately I'm a hunter. So if push comes to shove I simply put a 30-06 round through you and voila! Dinner is served. And I suddenly have all of your water and food. Problem solved.
Ok.
I think you’ll be laughing so hard at everyone not being as awesomely prepared as you are, that you’ll miss me. Unless you were a sniper in your former life, but that’s classified...amirite?
I just shivered in fear thinking about you and your 30.06 if that’s any consolation. [Reply]
