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Washington DC and The Holy Land>****Trump Impeachment II: Electric Boogaloo****
banyon 01:54 PM 01-08-2021
Democrats plan to introduce articles of impeachment as early as Monday
From CNN's Lauren Fox, Manu Raju and Jamie Gangel

House Democrats are currently planning to introduce articles of impeachment against President Trump as soon as Monday, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

That could set up a vote in the House early to the middle of next week. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has not explicitly said when this will go to the floor.

This would be the second time the House has unveiled articles of impeachment against President Trump.

In December 2019, the House impeached Trump on charges of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. The Senate acquitted him on both charges last February.


https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...day/index.html

(four stars on both sides, D2112)

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JUST IN: 4-page draft article of impeachment against President Trump that Reps. Raskin, Lieu, Cicilline are planning to introduce Monday: "Incitement of insurrection" pic.twitter.com/KdQrzQy6pf

— NBC News (@NBCNews) January 8, 2021

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kcpasco 11:34 PM 01-08-2021
Still crying about Russia and the popular vote. TDS is real.
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Taco John 11:35 PM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by banyon:
What did GHWB do to stab his base in the back? I donít remember that?

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Riflemen 11:37 PM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by Pogue:
Itíll cause irreparable damage for those that voted for Trump, voters will just go somewhere else. Itís happened before and killed a certain GOPe President chances of re-election after stabbing his base in the back.

GOPe President was left crying to his wife as the returns came in on election night.
Meh, a lot of people voted republican. Not for trump. Moderate republicans will come back. If he's not impeached he will be the next Perot and they know it. He's toast dude. The GOP better get rid of the Trumps or they are fucked for a decade.
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arrowheadnation 11:43 PM 01-08-2021
Unless it bars him from running for office again in the future, a conviction doesn't accomplish a whole lot with so little time remaining other than adding further lore to the shitshow that was the Trump administration.
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Fish 11:52 PM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by arrowheadnation:
Unless it bars him from running for office again in the future, a conviction doesn't accomplish a whole lot with so little time remaining other than adding further lore to the shitshow that was the Trump administration.
Pretty sure it bars him from running for any governmental office.
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Pogue 12:07 AM 01-09-2021
Originally Posted by Riflemen:
Meh, a lot of people voted republican. Not for trump. Moderate republicans will come back. If he's not impeached he will be the next Perot and they know it. He's toast dude. The GOP better get rid of the Trumps or they are fucked for a decade.
We just got a preview of how the GOPe runs elections, and that was the Georgia runoff election. The combination of Karl Roveís minions blasting the state with communism/socialism ads and Mitch saying no to 2k to Americans (polling showed 80% in favor of 2k checks) was a master class in how to not generate enthusiasm for your candidates.

I donít care what they do, they donít have a spine either way.
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jerryaldini 02:02 AM 01-09-2021
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
Dems should want him eligible. Reps probably don't want him around.
Yep, if repubs let him hang around he will be the gift that keeps giving the former repub suburbs to the dems.
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KC_Connection 02:46 AM 01-09-2021
Even taking away the political reasons for doing so, I’d just do it based on principle. Trump’s insane behavior and its consequences Wednesday cannot be normalized in any regard if this country’s political system is ever going to recover from his tenure.

Whether he actually gets convicted this time will come down to what Mitch wants to do, but even if it doesn’t happen, I hardly see any harm for the Dems coming for it. The deranged Trumper cult will hate them no matter what they do.
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KC_Connection 02:51 AM 01-09-2021
Originally Posted by banyon:
Just heard interesting angle: how many Republicans might sign onto removal to ensure the field in 2024 is clear for themselves or others they align with (Because the impeachment clause contains language about being prevented from holding federal office again)?

There are probably some moderate votes at this point: Murkowski, Romney, Collins, maybe Thune, Rounds, Portman, Toomey. But this angle would add the Senators motivated not by a sense of duty but by a sense of craven political self interest. There has to be another 10 votes there, right?
A few may do it for that reason among many. I still think they’ll need Mitch’s support in the Senate to actually convict.
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RodeoPants2 02:59 AM 01-09-2021
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Even taking away the political reasons for doing so, Iíd just do it based on principle. Trumpís insane behavior and its consequences Wednesday cannot be normalized in any regard if this countryís political system is ever going to recover from his tenure.

Whether he actually gets convicted this time will come down to what Mitch wants to do, but even if it doesnít happen, I hardly see any harm for the Dems coming for it. The deranged Trumper cult will hate them no matter what they do.

I said something similar upthread. Why even have impeachment power if youíre not going to use it when the present orchestrates a violent coup attempt.
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KC_Connection 03:13 AM 01-09-2021
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
I said something similar upthread. Why even have impeachment power if you’re not going to use it when the present orchestrates a violent coup attempt.
Yeah it has to be used, if only to send the message to politicians both now and in future generations that such behavior isn’t acceptable. The US’s electoral system held up strong enough to this guy’s pressure this time but we can only hope it does in the future especially now that Trump has somewhat normalized this level of discourse.

If I had to guess, though, I don’t think they’ll successfully convict. I believe Mitch is delaying the trial so that he can have a practical reason for not voting to convict (that being that Trump is no longer in office so he can no longer be “removed”). Otherwise a vote to acquit would only be essentially an approval of Trump’s illegal actions and would look terrible on him (and the rest of the GOP). He’s trying to find a way out of having to make that decision and come out the other side still looking okay.
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GloryDayz 03:28 AM 01-09-2021
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
I assume this is a desperate attempt to prevent him from running in 2024.
Which side?
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lawrenceRaider 05:32 AM 01-09-2021
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
I assume this is a desperate attempt to prevent him from running in 2024.
Why? The Dems have to hope he runs again. It would be good for them. Clearly all they care about is Democrat power.

GOP finds a younger less inflammatory populist and it's lights out for the Dems in the next presidential election.
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F150 05:38 AM 01-09-2021
Mitch said Senate is out till day before the inauguration.....slammed this door shut.
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BigRichard 06:49 AM 01-09-2021
Yawn...


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