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Washington DC and The Holy Land>****Trump Impeachment II: Electric Boogaloo****
banyon 01:54 PM 01-08-2021
Democrats plan to introduce articles of impeachment as early as Monday
From CNN's Lauren Fox, Manu Raju and Jamie Gangel

House Democrats are currently planning to introduce articles of impeachment against President Trump as soon as Monday, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

That could set up a vote in the House early to the middle of next week. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has not explicitly said when this will go to the floor.

This would be the second time the House has unveiled articles of impeachment against President Trump.

In December 2019, the House impeached Trump on charges of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. The Senate acquitted him on both charges last February.


https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...day/index.html

(four stars on both sides, D2112)

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JUST IN: 4-page draft article of impeachment against President Trump that Reps. Raskin, Lieu, Cicilline are planning to introduce Monday: "Incitement of insurrection" pic.twitter.com/KdQrzQy6pf

— NBC News (@NBCNews) January 8, 2021

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jettio 03:24 PM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by BucEyedPea:
Trump could affect GOP primaries though. His sons have already said they're going to primary some of them. Trump's building a movement to outlast him. He's not young anymore. Populism is rising around the world because most people don't like what they're getting. If the Democrats were smart they'd also do a house cleaning and stop offering socialism as their solutions, and the same globalism of the GOPe where politicians are getting rich, and lockdowns that are smoking small businesses. There are better ideas out there.
Trump's one talent is reading a crowd and sampling bullshit and repeating back what works. His kids are not able to campaign for a major office and be taken seriously. They just want your money.
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Pogue 03:24 PM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by A Salt Weapon:
This is payback for exposing congressís corruption. When he called them out for their pork bill it was just a matter of time before congress critters turned on him. Thatís the swamp.
Covid isnít in the news and Congress isnít concerned with the people hurting from shutdowns. Instead, letís spend the next couple weeks impeaching Trump. Great move.
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Pogue 03:25 PM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by banyon:
LOL, you mean when he called them out for passing the stuff in his own budget request?
His own budget pre-pandemic and one that had 25% cuts to spending overseas.
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Loneiguana 03:26 PM 01-08-2021
Imagine if Trump actually had the balls to March with his supporters. Went into the Capitol with them. Stood on the Senate floor and declared he and his supporters wont leave till he is declared the winner of the election. Think it would have ended in 4 hours if Trump joined what he started?

We like to pretend it cant happen here.

But it almost did. Things could have easily gone differently. Or can in the future.

We cannot allow this behavior to go unpunished.
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DaneMcCloud 03:27 PM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by Pogue:
Covid isnít in the news.
:-)

Where the fuck do YOU live?
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Detoxing 03:28 PM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
:-)

Where the fuck do YOU live?
:-)
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BucEyedPea 03:28 PM 01-08-2021
Digression. I have to suspect this may be political because Patrick Byrne helped Trump gather technical forensics for fraud evidence, in his lasts days and spoke out about how his staff did not serve him well.
US Judge U-Turns on Ruling in Overstock Digital Dividend Lawsuit
Jan 6th.
Let's see how much lawfare goes on for others who either helped Trump or remained loyal.

This is how they play the game folks. Help Trump then ruin them. They don't care about you and I. They want all the power and wealth for themselves.
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banyon 03:29 PM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by Pogue:
His own budget pre-pandemic and one that had 25% cuts to spending overseas.
Pork items is a specific allegation. Wasteful items like the complained of "gender studies" etc. That stuff was in his budget request.
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jettio 03:29 PM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by cosmo20002:
If you mean that they felt his behavior was so egregious that they felt they just couldn't ignore it, I agree. Nancy avoided entertaining impeachment for quite a while. After Trump's "perfect" phone call, she couldn't avoid it.

If I had to guess, I think Biden would prefer she not go forward with it.
When do the new Georgia Senators get seated?

I think John Roberts and Joe Biden would be cool with it, if it was just the Georgia phone call, Trump family enjoying the riot on television and hiring Rudy Giuliani hair dye.

If it was just a few hours and a straight vote, nobody would mind. Most of those people that get jobs as US Senators and Chief Justice believe that the United States of America is worthy of honor and that Trump has diminished it.
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BucEyedPea 03:32 PM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by jettio:
Trump's one talent is reading a crowd and sampling bullshit and repeating back what works. His kids are not able to campaign for a major office and be taken seriously. They just want your money.
I don't agree with you. I did not say his sons would run, that's a separate issue, they can help get some Rs primaried. Republicans that regained lost seats in the midterms in the House ran on Trumpism. More can be found.

It's already begun:

Well @RepKinzinger your midterm election should be interesting. You called for the 25th Amendment to be used against @realDonaldTrump. I'll be reviewing closely your past voting record as a @GOP congressman and tracking from now till you launch your campaign.

— David Webb (@davidwebbshow) January 7, 2021

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Pogue 03:32 PM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by banyon:
Pork items is a specific allegation. Wasteful items like the complained of "gender studies" etc. That stuff was in his budget request.
Pre-pandemic, and they were line items requested by the state department, which isnít exactly full of trumpers.
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Shields68 03:32 PM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by cosmo20002:
You're wrong. First, impeachment is not a criminal court. The trial phase in the Senate is not even a criminal court, but the impeachment phase, which is more like a grand jury indictment, does not afford all the due process rights like in a criminal court proceeding.

"Due process" is not a standard set of rights. It means "the process that is due." And the "process that is due" varies by the circumstances and setting.
I surprisingly do not disagree with the above. Actually it is what I said.
Except that a person who is facing impeachment is going to have certain due process rights. Sure they may differ from criminal due process rights, but you can not take a persons job he was duly elected for without giving him some fundamental rights. Rushing a hearing in within 2 weeks would violate all sorts of rights.
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banyon 03:34 PM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by Pogue:
Pre-pandemic, and they were line items requested by the state department, which isn’t exactly full of trumpers.
It's his budget request. He is free to change what State sent to him. He's supposed to review it and make changes to it if he doesn't like it. he has people in WH Senior staff (or he should have if he hadn't filled it with grifters and family members) who can do that kind of thing. He was in control of that process even if he was too lazy or incompetent to realize it.
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jettio 03:36 PM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by BucEyedPea:
I don't agree with you. It's not just his own sons that might run. Republicans that regained lost seats in the midterms in the House ran on Trumpism. More can be found.
Some Trump voters only vote when Trump is on the ballot. Apparently, one strength of the recent Trump campaign was to find people that liked him but had never voted before and have them be brand new voters.

Since Trump said yesterday that is in favor of criminal prosecution of the people who invaded the Capitol after he suggested it. Seems like nearly all of those voters are going to go back to not voting at all.
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cosmo20002 03:36 PM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by banyon:
Pork items is a specific allegation. Wasteful items like the complained of "gender studies" etc. That stuff was in his budget request.
"Pork" has also typically referred to local projects added in by congressmen to help them in their districts.
It has not generally been used to describe overseas aid/spending requested by the president.

I think the Rs are misusing the term, but also "forgetting" that it was TRUMP who made the requests.
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