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Mephistopheles Janx 03:06 PM 11-06-2020
I just picked up a new monitor (34" Ultra Wide 1440p 144MHz 1500R Curve Samsung Panel -VA) to replace my 3 monitor setup (24" ASUS 1080p). Now I need a new video card to drive the monitor.

My current rig is:

Intel Core i-7 4770k Processor
32GB DDR3 Memory
Gigabyte Z97MX-Gaming 5 Motherboard
Radeon RX 570 Video Card

This card is going to struggle to push anything more than low to medium graphics on games with this new monitor. Where I'm torn is the cost of new video cards.

If I'm looking hard enough, I can stumble across an open box 5600 for $200 or $230 new. A 5700 for $320 (open box) or $350 new. But at that point... why would I just not drop another $100 for the 6700 at $449?

Ultimately... that makes the 5700 a non player and I'm left choosing between a 5600 at $230 or a 6700 at $450. I'd rather not spend an extra $220 but I feel like the 6700 would probably be the last video card my current build sees.

Then what about the 20x series by nVidia? By paying a touch more I get Ray Tracing which is cool but I'm not paying for a 2080, for what I would pay for a 2070 I may as well snag one of the new AMD cards. A 2060 is going for $320 new... I don't know that Ray Tracing is worth nearly $100.

Better yet... do any of you fellow nerds have an itch to update and want to sell me their 5k/20x series cards?
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vailpass 10:39 AM 01-07-2021
Originally Posted by Saulbadguy:
Do you think I could power a GTX 3060 TI on a 750w PS? I haven't kept too up to date on things. I just upgraded an old Core i3 (2013) to a new one so piecemealing things here and there.
Congrats on the new cpu. I imagine you're going to realize quite a gain.

The Verge says 600w for the 3060 so you should have plenty of room with 750w.

Nvidia’s RTX 3000 series cards have all bumped up their power requirements, but the RTX 3060 Ti is a little more modest in that regard. Nvidia is recommending a 600W power supply for the RTX 3060 Ti, and it will draw up to 200 watts.

https://www.theverge.com/21726429/nv...3060-ti-review

Power requirements for the other cards:



https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nv...-shortage-2020
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Fish 10:54 AM 01-07-2021
Originally Posted by Saulbadguy:
Do you think I could power a GTX 3060 TI on a 750w PS? I haven't kept too up to date on things. I just upgraded an old Core i3 (2013) to a new one so piecemealing things here and there.
You should be alright.

This is pretty helpful. PSU calculator that takes into account all the other devices in your system, including fans and such. Just select your components and best you can, and it will tell how much that system should be pulling.

https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator
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hometeam 07:46 PM 01-07-2021
You are thinking too hard about power supplies. A quality 850 is enough for something like a 3900/5900/10900k+ and a 3090, (im using a seasonic gold on a 3900x, OCed 3090, AIO, 4x RAM sticks, RGB all over etc etc ) any lower card on any processor can use a 750 or less.

I have a 1080ti on a big OCed 7700k on a 650w, no problems.

750 is more than enough for a 3060ti.

Power efficiency has just gotten better and better. Not to say, some parts are not capable of pulling more power, they are just doing more with the power they pull, 850 is enough for any 'normal' system.
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htismaqe 12:17 AM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by Fish:
Heh.. Those 30X0 cards are power hungry sumbitches. I watched a video the other day where Linus put 2 3090 cards in SLI mode. The 1000W PS in the test machine still wasn't enough to run a game. Died about 5 seconds into gameplay. They had to find a 1600W PS to test it. :-)
The last rig I built was damn near 10 years ago now and it had a 850W in it. 2 x 8800's in SLI drew a shitload of power for the time.
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Saulbadguy 09:24 AM 01-08-2021
Originally Posted by Fish:
You should be alright.

This is pretty helpful. PSU calculator that takes into account all the other devices in your system, including fans and such. Just select your components and best you can, and it will tell how much that system should be pulling.

https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator
Cool - thanks. Looks like i'm in good shape.
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Imon Yourside 03:11 PM 01-11-2021
I guess i'll just wait for the new 3080 TI, i've been looking for a good card for a couple of months now but man it's almost impossible unless you have hours to sit around and be ready to pounce. Nearly impossible to build gaming computers for people right now unless they want a mid range card or lesser.

Any ideas on how long this will last? Some of the big tech guys are saying this is just the new reality.
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Pants 03:52 PM 01-11-2021
Originally Posted by Imon Yourside:
I guess i'll just wait for the new 3080 TI, i've been looking for a good card for a couple of months now but man it's almost impossible unless you have hours to sit around and be ready to pounce. Nearly impossible to build gaming computers for people right now unless they want a mid range card or lesser.

Any ideas on how long this will last? Some of the big tech guys are saying this is just the new reality.
Yup. And it doesn't help that until today, Bitcoin was blowing up like crazy.

I was thinking about getting a 3070 Ti at some point, but I think I will just wait for the 4000 series due to come out in 2022.
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vailpass 08:59 PM 01-11-2021
Originally Posted by Fish:
Yeah, I already have a modular 12pin cable for the future card. Didn't know about the EVGA queue thing though. Thanks for that. I signed up for several of their models.
Guy on Reddit put his name on the EVGA list on September 18. He got his email last Friday and his card arrived today.


https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrac...tm_name=iossmf
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Fish 06:05 PM 01-12-2021
GeForce RTX event today:


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vailpass 07:00 PM 01-12-2021
Originally Posted by Fish:
GeForce RTX event today:

:-)...:-)
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Fish 07:14 PM 01-12-2021
I know, right? :-)

Usually with big toy purchases like computers, guns, tools, etc. I make the purchase a little impulsively when I probably financially shouldn't. Which makes me feel a little guilty about it. But the pandemic has actually been pretty good for me financially. Got excess toy money at the moment, and the two toys I wanna currently buy(RTX 3080 and a new Walther pistol) are all out of stock everywhere, LOL. Literally everywhere. Life is weird like that...
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Fish 09:22 PM 01-12-2021
NVIDIA Reveals GeForce RTX 3060: Launching Late February For $329

Alongside today’s CES-centric announcement of their new GeForce RTX 30 series parts for laptops, NVIDIA also offered an in-depth reveal of their next desktop graphics card, the GeForce RTX 3060. Reflected the continued progression of the Ampere architecture into smaller and cheaper video cards as NVIDIA continues its product stack rollout, the RTX 3060 marks the introduction of Ampere into their popular mainstream-enthusiast 60-series video card tier. Long the backbone of NVIDIA’s desktop sales in North America and elsewhere, the 60-tier cards typically strike a solid balance between price and performance. And with prices set to start at $329, at launch the RTX 3060 will become the cheapest RTX card that NVIDIA has ever offered.



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Fish 11:12 PM 01-12-2021
This is bananas.... I haven't seen such a demand on graphics chips since OG Diamond Monster 3D II 8MB 3Dfx Voodoo2 days.

Nvidia and AMD address the great GPU shortage

It’s not great news

Nvidia’s new RTX 3080, 3070, 3060 Ti and 3090 and the AMD RX 6800 and 6800 XT are all incredibly hard to find, selling out instantly whenever they appear, due to an incredible level of demand that makes these GPUs worth many hundreds of dollars more than MSRP. A Trump tax and surging cryptocurrency prices may be about to make them even more expensive, too. Many older graphics cards are sold out online as well.

This week, Nvidia and AMD finally have some updates — and it’s bittersweet news.

On the plus side, AMD tells The Verge it expects to sell more of its own reference design RX 6800, 6800 XT and RX 6900 XT cards on its own website in the first quarter of 2021 at their sticker prices, which should mean $579, $649 and $999 instead of inflated ones. But AMD is only committing to make them available “to as many gamers as possible,” which may not reassure buyers who felt AMD had a paper launch to begin with.

Nvidia, meanwhile, is now saying that supplies of its GPUs to both consumers and partners “will likely remain lean through Q1,” and we’re not even talking about the first quarter of the year — Nvidia’s fiscal Q1 doesn’t end until late April. That’s an awfully long wait.

Again, it’s demand, not just supply constraints, that are keeping graphics cards out of our hands. Nvidia tells us that since launch, its $499-and-up RTX 30-series GPUs have sold almost twice as much as the RTX 20-series did after the same amount of time. (The RTX 30-series is a much bigger upgrade than the previous gen was, mind you — there weren’t a lot of games that took advantage of Nvidia’s ray tracing at the time, and people’s GTX 10-series cards were still holding up just fine.)

Nvidia does at least seem to think crypto miners aren’t snapping up all the cards quite yet, despite the sky-high prices we’ve recently seen for Bitcoin and Ethereum.

“If crypto demand begins or if we see a meaningful amount,” said CFO Colette Kress at a recent investor conference, “we can also use that opportunity to restart the CMP product line to address ongoing mining demand.” CMP refers to Nvidia’s dedicated crypto mining GPUs, which strip away the video ports miners don’t need because they aren’t driving graphics to a monitor, making them them more profitable for Nvidia.

As far as whether Trump’s taxes might impact the price of graphics cards, Nvidia isn’t saying much — but AMD CEO Lisa Su claims the company is trying its best to keep prices down. Here’s a quote transcribed by AnandTech:

We knew about the expiration of some tariff policies, and in advance worked towards a more flexible supply chain as it relates to AMD. We are committed to keeping GPU pricing as close to our suggested retail pricing as much as possible, because it’s the only way to be fair to the users. Normally when we have GPU launches, our own branded cards are available initially but then fade away for our partners to pick up. This time around we’re not phasing out our RX 6000 series, enabling us to sell direct to customers as low as possible. We’re encouraging partners to do the same. Not only tariffs, but the COVID environment has increased shipping and freight costs, which are hard to avoid. As we get into a more normal environment, this should improve. This also matters for our planned graphics updates through the first half of the year, as we have a lot of product coming to market.

That sounds good, but it’s still fairly noncommittal — and feels like a step back from what AMD told Hardware Unboxed in November, about how partners should be able to sell the RX 6800 XT at its original $649 MSRP within eight weeks.
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vailpass 03:35 PM 01-13-2021
Originally Posted by Fish:
I know, right? :-)

Usually with big toy purchases like computers, guns, tools, etc. I make the purchase a little impulsively when I probably financially shouldn't. Which makes me feel a little guilty about it. But the pandemic has actually been pretty good for me financially. Got excess toy money at the moment, and the two toys I wanna currently buy(RTX 3080 and a new Walther pistol) are all out of stock everywhere, LOL. Literally everywhere. Life is weird like that...
I hear you there. The supply chain is straight fucked right now. It's nice though to have things to look forward to. And I've enjoyed waiting to do a build in the sense that I've had time to add little things like the sheathed 12 pin cord and a second M2 drive and a streaming camera and some razr speakers. Oh shit, this needs to end.
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Pants 03:54 PM 01-13-2021
Originally Posted by vailpass:
I hear you there. The supply chain is straight fucked right now. It's nice though to have things to look forward to. And I've enjoyed waiting to do a build in the sense that I've had time to add little things like the sheathed 12 pin cord and a second M2 drive and a streaming camera and some razr speakers. Oh shit, this needs to end.
:-)
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