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Washington DC and The Holy Land>Daily Beast: Study Links Fluoridated Water During Pregnancy to Lower IQs
Taco John 03:42 PM 08-19-2019


An influential medical journal published a study Monday that links fluoride consumption during pregnancy with lower childhood IQs—a finding that could undermine decades of public-health messaging, fire up conspiracy theorists, and alarm mothers-to-be.

The research was expected to be so controversial that JAMA Pediatrics included an editor’s note saying the decision to publish it was not easy and that it was subjected to “additional scrutiny.”

“It is the only editor’s note I’ve ever written,” Dimitri Christakis, editor in chief of JAMA Pediatrics and a pediatrician, told The Daily Beast. “There was concern on the journal’s editorial team about how this would play out in the public eye and what the public-health implications would be.”

About three-fourths of the United States drinks fluoridated tap water—which the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention declared one of the 10 greatest public-health achievements of the 20th century because it dramatically reduces tooth decay.

A handful of earlier studies have suggested that prenatal fluoride exposure could affect neurodevelopment, but many experts considered those to be substandard.

The new study, vetted by the premier medical publisher in the U.S., is seen as more rigorous, although some experts found it unconvincing, saying the results were statistically borderline and the methodology was flawed.

“When we started in this field, we were told that fluoride is safe and effective in pregnancy,” said study co-author Christine Till of York University in Toronto. “But when we looked for the evidence to suggest that it’s safe, we didn’t find any studies done on pregnant women.”

They recruited 512 pregnant women from six Canadian cities and measured their exposure several ways: analyzing the amount of fluoride in their urine; looking at how much tap water and tea they drank; and comparing the fluoride concentration in the community drinking water.


Then, when the women’s children were 3 or 4, the researchers gave them IQ tests and crunched the numbers to see if they could find any trends.

“We saw an association between prenatal fluoride exposure and lower IQ scores in children,” study author Rivky Green said.

Specifically, they found a 1 mg per liter increase in concentration of fluoride in urine was associated with a 4.5 point decrease in IQ among boys—though not girls. Another translation: The boys of mothers with the most fluoride in the urine had IQs about 3 points lower than the boys of mothers with the least amount.

Although critics of the study pointed to the different results by gender as a red flag, when the researchers measured fluoride exposure by examining the women’s fluid intake, they found lower IQs in boys and girls. A 1 mg increase per day was associated with a 3.7-point IQ deficit among both.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fluori...ediatrics-says
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Beef Supreme 09:37 AM 08-20-2019
Originally Posted by Loneiguana:
I mean, obviously comparing public water having fluoride to Nazis, twice now, is invalid by your own words saying you freely voted on the issue.

What are you bitching about again? Places you don't live freely voting to have fluoride just because you disagree with them?
I'm pointing out that people like you seem to think you know what's best for everyone and are willing to force it on them against their will. Sure they could buy expensive bottled water or an expensive filter that can remove fluoride, but you know ... expensive. But you could buy some fucking toothpaste, which I'm pretty sure if you want fluoride in the water, you buy anyway. What about the people that live in an area that voted for fluoridated water, but they voted against it and don't personally want it?

It's this mindset that it's okay to force people to do shit for their own good that I'm not okay with. Personal freedom. I'm for it. What about you?
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Beef Supreme 09:38 AM 08-20-2019
Originally Posted by Fish:
Complains of unequal comparisons, calls me a Nazi for supporting fluoridated water...
Well, you do like forcing people to do shit they don't want to do.
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Loneiguana 09:57 AM 08-20-2019
Originally Posted by Beef Supreme:
I'm pointing out that people like you seem to think you know what's best for everyone and are willing to force it on them against their will. Sure they could buy expensive bottled water or an expensive filter that can remove fluoride, but you know ... expensive. But you could buy some ****ing toothpaste, which I'm pretty sure if you want fluoride in the water, you buy anyway. What about the people that live in an area that voted for fluoridated water, but they voted against it and don't personally want it?

It's this mindset that it's okay to force people to do shit for their own good that I'm not okay with. Personal freedom. I'm for it. What about you?
But its okay to force people to not have added fluoride in their public water (AKA water provided by society and thus can be regulated by society) even if they want it? Sounds like you think you know what's best for everyone and are willing to force it on them against their will. Sure, they could buy pharmacy fluoride chewables, but you know expensive where its basically 'free' in public water. What about the people that live in the area that voted against fluoridated water, but they voted for it and personally want it?
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Beef Supreme 10:02 AM 08-20-2019
Originally Posted by Loneiguana:
But its okay to force people to not have added fluoride in their public water (AKA water provided by society and thus can be regulated by society) even if they want it? Sounds like you think you know what's best for everyone and are willing to force it on them against their will. Sure, they could buy pharmacy fluoride chewables, but you know expensive where its basically 'free' in public water. What about the people that live in the area that voted against fluoridated water, but they voted for it and personally want it?
Yeah, I'm done here. I've made my point, quite clearly to anyone with reasoning skills. No need to go down the loneidiot rabbit hole.
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Beef Supreme 10:14 AM 08-20-2019
Originally Posted by RubberSponge:
The City of Wichita would disagree with you. I'm positive of it.

This whole fluoridation debate goes way back to the 50's-60's during the height of the Cold War. The first critics claimed it was being used by the Soviets to make us all communists through mind control by adding fluoride to the water. Their evidence of this is because the Soviets found the health benefits associated to fluoride. Of course through the years the critics have changed, and changed again their arguments against the use of fluoride. Now we are at the point of brain damage, low IQ and whatever else excuse they want to find to be against it.

https://www.kansas.com/news/article1102401.html

https://fluoridealert.org/articles/wichita-victory/
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Detoxing 10:44 AM 08-20-2019
I'm surprised people still drink tap water.
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RubberSponge 10:48 AM 08-20-2019
Originally Posted by Beef Supreme:
https://www.kansas.com/news/article1102401.html

https://fluoridealert.org/articles/wichita-victory/
Don't be a dummy.


https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/healt...s-and-details/

Originally Posted by :
Just the facts, please.
Fluoride is a natural mineral.
Fluoride is currently present in Wichita’s water

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Beef Supreme 10:57 AM 08-20-2019
Originally Posted by RubberSponge:
Don't be a dummy.


https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/healt...s-and-details/
What of it? Nowhere on that page does it say the city fluoridates the water. In fact, it if you read the bottom section of that, you can see that whoever wrote it is attempting to make the case to add fluoride to the water but they didn't, because we voted against it.

Originally Posted by :
Just the facts, please. 
Fluoride is a natural mineral. 
Fluoride is currently present in Wichita’s water, but there is not enough to prevent tooth decay. 
Proper brushing and flossing combined with water fluoridation improves oral health for everyone. 
.7 milligrams per liter is the recommended amount of fluoride in drinking water. This amount is safe and helpful for all ages. 
More than 70 percent of Americans drink water that has the recommended amount of fluoride. 
Small amounts of fluoride are in products such as toothpaste and mouthwash, but these alone do not provide the recommended amount. Water fluoridation is one way to get the recommended amount.
Don't be a dummy.
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Loneiguana 11:05 AM 08-20-2019
Originally Posted by Beef Supreme:
Yeah, I'm done here. I've made my point, quite clearly to anyone with reasoning skills. No need to go down the loneidiot rabbit hole.
You "Point" seems to be that you think you know what's best for everyone and are mad and places that freely voted to add fluoride to drinking water.
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Beef Supreme 11:08 AM 08-20-2019
Originally Posted by Loneiguana:
You "Point" seems to be that you think you know what's best for everyone and are mad and places that freely voted to add fluoride to drinking water.
A lot of places didn't freely vote on it. It was just decided by government folks who feel like they know what's best for everyone and didn't have a problem forcing it on them.

It's a lot easier to add fluoride to your daily intake than it is to remove it from the fucking water supply. You should go eat some toothpaste.
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Over Yonder 11:12 AM 08-20-2019
I LOVE this place :-)

Only on CP could fluoridated water be a hot topic issue!!

For the record, I've always thought the idea of intentionally adding poison to the public water supply is a tad foolish, but it ain't the hill I'm gonna die on :-)
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Loneiguana 11:27 AM 08-20-2019
Originally Posted by Beef Supreme:
A lot of places didn't freely vote on it. It was just decided by government folks who feel like they know what's best for everyone and didn't have a problem forcing it on them.

It's a lot easier to add fluoride to your daily intake than it is to remove it from the ****ing water supply. You should go eat some toothpaste.
Are government folks freely voted on by the population?
Can citizens vote out people who enact policies they don't like to get them reversed?
Do governments not hold community question and answers where citizens can voice their concerns before local government makes a policy change like fluoride in water?

Still sounds like you think you know what's best for everyone and want to force them to do your point of view.
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New World Order 11:29 AM 08-20-2019
Originally Posted by Loneiguana:
Are government folks freely voted on by the population?
Can citizens vote out people who enact policies they don't like to get them reversed?
Do governments not hold community question and answers where citizens can voice their concerns before local government makes a policy change like fluoride in water?

Still sounds like you think you know what's best for everyone and want to force them to do your point of view.
^Wants to force business owners to up salary to 15 per without their consent.
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Beef Supreme 11:30 AM 08-20-2019
Originally Posted by Loneiguana:
Are government folks freely voted on by the population?
Can citizens vote out people who enact policies they don't like to get them reversed?
Do governments not hold community question and answers where citizens can voice their concerns before local government makes a policy change like fluoride in water?

Still sounds like you think you know what's best for everyone and want to force them to do your point of view.
I don't think I know what's best for everyone. That's why I think people should be free to decide how much fluoride they ingest. On a personal level, not a majority-rules level. You can personally ingest as much fluoride as you want, and you don't need it in the water supply to do it.
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AdolfOliverBush 11:50 AM 08-20-2019
I find it interesting that when science (even iffy-at-best science like this) produces a hypothesis or theory that falls in line with a person's preconceived notions, they fully support it and tout it as the truth.

When that hypothesis or theory goes against their preconceived notions (climate change, big bang theory for instance), then scientists are morons with an agenda.
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