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Nzoner's Game Room>Chiefs 53 Man Roster Prediction
KChiefs1 10:49 AM 06-22-2019
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Before Andy Reid began his vacation in California this week, Kansas City Chiefs head coach made an amusing yet literal request to his players: Please don’t report to training camp next month on crutches.

The Chiefs finished their offseason program last week without any significant injuries. Reid has enjoyed tinkering with his offensive playbook and watching his new defense, led by new coordinator Steve Spagnuolo. The biggest hope for Reid is that none of his players need crutches or have to removed from the practice field on a cart during camp, which begins July 24 at Missouri Western State University in St. Joseph, Mo.

The projected roster below assumes player is healthy and in top shape. An NFL season, however, is loaded with variables and the unexpected. In order to reach the Super Bowl, the Chiefs will need contributions from veteran backups and production from young, unproven players. The Chiefs were the biggest surprise of last year, as quarterback Patrick Mahomes, the NFL’s reigning MVP, led the team to the AFC Championship game. Reid wants his reconstructed defense to be another surprise this season.

After 12 practices, six of which were open to reporters, the Chiefs do appear to be a more balanced team. Reid and general manager Brett Veach will have difficult decisions to make at various positions, including wide receiver, linebacker and along the defensive line.

The three minicamp practices last week gave reporters the best indication of what the Chiefs’ depth chart looks like. From notes, observations and Reid’s preference in past seasons, here’s our early projection of the Chiefs’ 53-man roster.

Quarterbacks: Patrick Mahomes, Chad Henne

Analysis: The quarterbacks’ room shouldn’t change from last year. Mahomes has been supported by Henne, who also understands the offense better in his second season with the Chiefs. Offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy, quarterbacks assistant Mike Kafka and Reid will continue to brainstorm on how Mahomes can stay ahead of opposing defenses. Henne, an 11-year veteran, is a suitable backup who can smoothly operate the Chiefs’ offense.

Practice-squad consideration: Chase Litton is entering his second season with the Chiefs after performing well last year in the preseason. If Litton continues to develop in camp, he’ll likely stay with the Chiefs and win the third-string battle over undrafted free agent Kyle Shurmur.

Running backs: Damien Williams, Carlos Hyde, Darrel Williams, Darwin Thompson

Analysis: This is an interesting group. All four players are capable of being additional receivers in Reid’s offense and Damien Williams appears to be ready for his role as the Chiefs’ primary ball carrier.

Hyde should be most effective in short-yardage situations and on swing passes out of the backfield. Last season, Darrel Williams performed well in his six games, showing toughness in space. The most unpredictable player at the position is Thompson, who could be used in screen passes, on special teams or as a gadget player for Reid. Thompson has enough speed that he should see the ball in space at least a few times this season. The Chiefs don’t need their running backs to be spectacular. The goal for this group should be consistency in keeping opposing defenses balanced.

Fullback: Anthony Sherman

Analysis: As one of the best fullbacks in the league, Sherman will continue to do a little bit of everything. Sherman will block for Mahomes and Williams, catch critical passes and be a plus on special teams. Another Pro Bowl appearance seems reasonable.

Tight ends: Travis Kelce, Deon Yelder, John Lovett

Analysis: Kelce, who missed the offseason practices to rest his surgically repaired ankle, should be fully healthy in time for camp. He is Mahomes’ favorite target, and that shouldn’t change this season, particularly on third down. The real intrigue in camp is who will play with Kelce as Reid’s second and third tight ends. The reason for two backups here is simple: Reid wants to run plays with two tight ends, and both Yelder and Lovett have the most potential. Yelder, the more traditional tight end who excels at blocking, spent most of last season on the Chiefs’ practice squad. The preseason is going to be critical for him. As for Lovett, he’s one of the best athletes on the roster. He made impressive catches during the open offseason practices and spent plenty of snaps with the projected starters with Kelce and Yelder out with injuries.

Practice-squad consideration: Nick Keizer is another young, solid option in case of an injury. Keizer spent last season on the Baltimore Ravens’ practice squad.

Receivers: Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Demarcus Robinson, Mecole Hardman, Byron Pringle, Gehrig Dieter

Analysis: After the NFL Draft, Hill was not on our projected depth chart ahead of the team’s organized practices. Although he’s indefinitely suspended by the Chiefs, Hill could rejoin the team in camp since he’s no longer under criminal investigation from the Johnson County (Kan.) District Attorney’s office. The Chiefs believe Hill could receive a suspension from the NFL as soon as next month for violating the league’s personal-conduct policy.

Beyond Hill’s potential return, the rest of the position is a steady group. Watkins was a star during the offseason program, and Robinson has received greater responsibility within the offense. Pringle and Dieter are players who can contribute on offense and special teams. Hardman, the speedy rookie, should have an increased role as the season progresses and he better understands the offense.

Practice-squad consideration: Cody Thompson, an undrafted rookie from Toledo, was the second-most consistent receiver in the offseason practices behind Watkins. Thompson caught almost every ball thrown to him during the open practices and his route running, especially in the slot, was impressive. If Hill is suspended, Thompson could start the season on the Chiefs’ 53-man roster if he performs well in the preseason.

Offensive linemen: Mitchell Schwartz, Eric Fisher, Austin Reiter, Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, Andrew Wylie, Cam Erving, Kahlil McKenzie, Jimmy Murray, Nick Allegretti

Analysis: The Chiefs’ starting lineup appears set with a healthy Duverney-Tardif and an emerging Wylie as the projected guards next to Reiter as the center. Schwartz and Fisher are quality tackles. But one reason the Chiefs have one of the best offensive lines in the NFL is because of their depth and versatility. Erving, who spent much of last season as the starting left guard, appears ready for a new role as the swingman tackle. McKenzie learned the guard position last year as a rookie and should get plenty of snaps in the preseason. Murray and Allegretti are athletic enough to play both the center and guard positions.

Practice-squad consideration: Tackle Ryan Hunter should be given another year to learn from Schwartz, Fisher and assistant coach Andy Heck.

Defensive linemen: Frank Clark, Chris Jones, Alex Okafor, Emmanuel Ogbah, Derrick Nnadi, Breeland Speaks, Tanoh Kpassagnon, Khalen Saunders, Xavier Williams

Analysis: Spagnuolo is going to place a lot of his faith in these players. The trio of pass rushers in Clark, Jones and Okafor is a quality group that should put consistent pressure on opposing quarterbacks. Jones, who is seeking a sizable contract extension, is expected to return to the team early in camp after missing all of the offseason practices. The two wild cards are former second-round picks Speaks and Kpassagnon. Spagnuolo wants the two players to play both on the edge and in the interior based on the matchups against the opposing offensive line. Speaks and Kpassagnon haven’t done that since their college careers. Nnadi, Saunders and Williams are all capable defensive tackles who can rotate and be stout in Spagnuolo’s 4-3 defense.

Practice-squad consideration: The Chiefs are very high on Tim Ward, an undrafted rookie defensive end who missed all of the offseason practices because of a knee injury.

Linebackers: Anthony Hitchens, Reggie Ragland, Damien Wilson, Darron Lee, Dorian O’Daniel, Ben Niemann

Analysis: The position appears to still be fluid for Spagnuolo, as Hitchens is the lone unquestioned starter. Ragland, Wilson and Lee could all be starters at some point this season with O’Daniel as a situational option. One of the most fascinating parts of camp will be how often the Chiefs run snaps with three linebackers. The change in scheme appears to benefit Ragland the most, who could play in the middle or as the strong-side ‘backer. The winner of these position battles will likely be the players who can sprint sideline to sideline and be effective in pass coverage. Niemann is the perfect role player who is disciplined and strong on special teams. O’Daniel is also a plus option on special teams.

Practice-squad considerations: Darius Harris, an undrafted rookie, has potential. Raymond Davison should get another year to develop after being on the Chiefs’s practice squad last season.

Cornerbacks: Kendall Fuller, Bashaud Breeland, Charvarius Ward, Keith Reaser, Tremon Smith

Analysis: Something unforeseen would have to happen in camp or the preseason for this position to change. Fuller, Breeland and Ward are the Chiefs’ primary options. Reaser is a reasonable option in dime coverage if he can stay healthy, which has been his biggest issue in the NFL. Spagnuolo likely will leave Fuller in the slot position and the burden will increase for Ward, who blossomed late last season as a rookie. Smith, a second-year player, is the projected winner of the final spot on the roster since he was excellent as the team’s kickoff returner last season.

Practice-squad considerations: Rookies Rashad Fenton and Mark Fields will need to perform better than expected in the preseason, both on defense and special teams, for them to make the roster. If they prove competent, both players should spend the season learning Spagnuolo’s system.

Safeties: Tyrann Mathieu, Juan Thornhill, Daniel Sorensen, Jordan Lucas, Armani Watts

Analysis: The order of this position is set entering training camp with Mathieu and Thornhill as the starters. Sorensen, Lucas and Watts are all capable backups who can make contributions on special teams. Spagnuolo just needs this group to stay healthy.

Specialists: Harrison Butker (kicker), Dustin Colquitt (punter), James Winchester (long snapper)

Analysis: All three players rank among the best at their position in the NFL with coordinator Dave Toub as their guru.

Practice-squad considerations: Undrafted rookie punter Jack Fox has a big and consistent leg; he’ll continue to develop under Colquitt and Toub.

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oldman 09:51 AM 08-21-2019
Do we have to designate IR players before or after the cuts? What about IR-Return? You might see Lovett on that list instead of trying to sneak him through waivers.
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Mecca 09:54 AM 08-21-2019
For Ragland or DOD to get cut and I think DOD could, there would have to be a LB trade because we have very poor depth there.

The only real sign I guess between the receivers is Pringle goes in earlier and leaves and then Thompson plays with the real scrubs at the end.
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DJ's left nut 09:57 AM 08-21-2019
Originally Posted by O.city:
Pretty much.

Always looking forward though and developing, if you think Pringle can develop into a legit outside guy, that's probably worth more value than a slot guy.
Conventional wisdom says that's the case. I'm not sure that means dick anymore; the slot guy is arguably more important in any motion offense than the #2 Wide (our X).

And what have you seen from Pringle to suggest he can 'develop into a legit outside guy'? I don't mean someone you use in a pinch, but an actual starting caliber WR you're going to use over Hardman at the X. Because that's what you're talking about here long-term.

I don't think he managed to distinguish himself from Kemp and if he did it was in a negative fashion. Would you have said "well we need to keep Kemp to see if he can develop into a legit outside guy..."

Kemp is YOUNGER than Byron Pringle, gents. By a fair amount - almost 2 years. Pringle will turn 26 in November; he's Sammy Watkins' age.

Mayhaps we should stop talking about all the untapped potential of the overaged WR 'prospect' who's done little to showcase himself. If he can help you right now, so be it. If he's more useful to the 2019 Chiefs than Thompson - keep him. But you don't go looking down the road on guys like this; there's an infinitely greater chance that he's Fred Williams than Victor Cruz.
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O.city 09:59 AM 08-21-2019
I haven't seen anything with him, just saying if they have. I'd keep Thompson and would have kept Kemp just so I could have had something to argue with staylor about during down times of the season.
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RunKC 09:59 AM 08-21-2019
I think Andy wants to take a more methodical approach at times. Pat even mentioned going deep too often and missing easy plays.

Have to think Andy reviewed the tape and saw that there were tons of opportunities in the intermediate area (10-15 yards) due to teams putting 3 safeties on the field to limit the big play.

Cody Thompson is a nice slot option, and that’s all we need from him right now. Thompson brings above average lateral speed and excellent route running to the table. We didn’t have that from Robinson, Conley, Kemp, Dieter or Benjamin last year.

Tom Brady does that all the time. He kills teams in the intermediate. Pat doing that will make him even more dangerous
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Mecca 10:04 AM 08-21-2019
Lets be real it's not like Pringle or Thompson will ever play, that could just come down to who's more valuable on specials.

They'll probably put DAT on offense before either of those guys gets a run.
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oldman 10:04 AM 08-21-2019
I think you keep DOD for coverage packages. I see Attaochu was left off the list. Why couldn't you move him to MLB? He's almost the same size as Ragland and let someone else call the defense. I'm just tired of seeing Reg whiff, bounce off people, and generally be lost in coverage.
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gonefishin53 10:05 AM 08-21-2019
Robinson does't have the speed for the perimeter or the route running for the slot. He's Chris Conley without the deep speed which explains why he's produced 10.4 receiving yards/game as a Chief compared to Conley's 23.3 yards/game. But he can't be cut because we might lose that 10.4 yards/game of production.
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DJ's left nut 10:10 AM 08-21-2019
Originally Posted by oldman:
I think you keep DOD for coverage packages. I see Attaochu was left off the list. Why couldn't you move him to MLB? He's almost the same size as Ragland and let someone else call the defense. I'm just tired of seeing Reg whiff, bounce off people, and generally be lost in coverage.
Because it ain't Madden football.

Attaochu is something of a converted DE who plays Sam in primarily rush capacity. If seeing Ragland in space is something that bothers you (it should) then I suspect you won't care for seeing Attaouchu out there either.

He's very possibly the least likely Mike we have among the LB options. Even if you took Ragland out, I suspect that Wilson, Lee and maybe even DoD would be better.
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oldman 10:12 AM 08-21-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:

I don't think he managed to distinguish himself from Kemp and if he did it was in a negative fashion. Would you have said "well we need to keep Kemp to see if he can develop into a legit outside guy..."

Kemp is YOUNGER than Byron Pringle, gents. By a fair amount - almost 2 years. Pringle will turn 26 in November; he's Sammy Watkins' age.
I agree, but Kemp is out for the season. So the choice, right now, comes down to Thompson or Pringle. Is Pringle more valuable on ST? Maybe, but I never have understood why there's so much love for him except he's a K-Stater.
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Mecca 10:13 AM 08-21-2019
Originally Posted by oldman:
I agree, but Kemp is out for the season. So the choice, right now, comes down to Thompson or Pringle. Is Pringle more valuable on ST? Maybe, but I never have understood why there's so much love for him except he's a K-Stater.
He actually did perform really well last preseason.
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oldman 10:15 AM 08-21-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Because it ain't Madden football.

Attaochu is something of a converted DE who plays Sam in primarily rush capacity. If seeing Ragland in space is something that bothers you (it should) then I suspect you won't care for seeing Attaouchu out there either.

He's very possibly the least likely Mike we have among the LB options. Even if you took Ragland out, I suspect that Wilson, Lee and maybe even DoD would be better.
I guess I just haven't seen enough of Attaochu to give up on him. I'm in the ABR (anybody but Ragland) crowd.
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Mecca 10:16 AM 08-21-2019
Attouchu will probably make the roster but as a situational backup.
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DJ's left nut 10:18 AM 08-21-2019
Originally Posted by oldman:
I agree, but Kemp is out for the season. So the choice, right now, comes down to Thompson or Pringle. Is Pringle more valuable on ST? Maybe, but I never have understood why there's so much love for him except he's a K-Stater.
Sure - but Kemp was A#1 on most people's chopping blocks despite having a better NFL track record, a more successful camp and actually being 2 years younger than Pringle.

Meanwhile people are trying to justify keeping Pringle because of his 'potential'.

I'm aware that Kemp's not longer a realistic possibility - my point is to draw the contrast between the two players. One guy gets kicked every chance possible and the other guy people are bending over backwards to try to keep.
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DJ's left nut 10:21 AM 08-21-2019
Originally Posted by oldman:
I guess I just haven't seen enough of Attaochu to give up on him. I'm in the ABR (anybody but Ragland) crowd.
I'd keep him as well, but if I'm just doing anything I can to get Ragland off the field, I'm keeping Niemann and then shifting Hitchens to Mike and starting Lee at the Will.

And if I lost Hitchens, I'd shift Lee to the Mike and consider Niemann at Will (or even DoD). And if that didn't work, I'd play more Nickel sets with 2 backers and have Lee/Wilson out there (alongside Hitchens if healthy or as a duo if he isn't).

There are a half dozen or more options I'd explore before Attaochu at Mike, including street free agents. That's not to say he can't be useful, but he's only slightly more likely to succeed at MLB than Kpassagnon would be. It ain't a great idea.
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