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Washington DC and The Holy Land>World Ends in 2050: Climate Change Expert
HonestChieffan 09:05 AM 06-04-2019

https://t.co/pIj2s8QleB

— VICE (@VICE) June 4, 2019


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BucEyedPea 02:43 PM 08-21-2019
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan:

Oh cool, love the pic. Now I can kayak to the top of Lady Liberty. I'll bet our resident variety of leftists: socialists, communists, fascists etc. love that her tablet of July 4, 1776 is underwater and can't be seen.

I'm gonna love longer growing seasons for food to feed the world, more trees growing everywhere—hopefully so we can use more paper including paper ballots and swimming in the arctic ocean. Hope to see lots of new arctic beach resorts too. I'll bet Trump's family, once he's gone builds some. Sounds like the future will be paradise.
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WhiteWhale 06:25 PM 08-21-2019
Originally Posted by Fish:
That's very easily disputed though. The last time C02 levels were as high as they currently are was the Pliocene era ~3M years ago.

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_res...hits-new-high/

The article is stupid fear mongering by a fossil fuel exec and an Australian politician. But saying the current climate is just a normal cyclical pattern couldn't be further from the truth.
Quoted for truth. I trust the science, I just don't trust any of the policy makers.
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Jim Hammer 07:04 PM 08-21-2019
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gre...old-study-says
The bogus number at the center of the GOPís Green New Deal attacks

Originally Posted by :
Republicans claim the "Green New Deal" would cost $93 trillion ó a number that would dwarf the combined economic output of every nation on Earth.

The figure is bogus.

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WhiteWhale 07:25 PM 08-21-2019
Originally Posted by Jim Hammer:
The bogus number at the center of the GOPís Green New Deal attacks
Who cares? It's an illiberal social and economic engineering plan masquerading as an environmental deal by the admission of it's authors.

Instead of actually addressing the environmental issues, AOC has used it as a trojan horse to bring her woke social prejudice theory and socialist values to the table in a subverted way.

Exactly what I was saying earlier when I said I don't trust policy makers. AOC doesn't give a FUCK about the environment. She cares about using a real problem to ascend to power and achieve her fantastical utopian paradise.
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BucEyedPea 08:28 PM 08-21-2019
Originally Posted by WhiteWhale:
Quoted for truth. I trust the science, I just don't trust any of the policy makers.
I don't trust nasa. This is pork-barrel funding for them.
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warrior 06:55 AM 08-22-2019
Originally Posted by Jim Hammer:
The bogus number at the center of the GOPís Green New Deal attacks


You're a bogus troll fake as can be
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ChiefaRoo 07:25 AM 08-22-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
If there was ANYTHING legitimate about this, and I mean anything at all, this wouldn't be just a stupid political rallying cry.

Think about it - this would be cause for war. A lot of us are bouncing around in the Chernobyl thread right now, right? And they talk about how the Russians did so much to keep the disaster a secret and cover up potential problems, etc... So imagine if the global diplomatic community knew about the issue with the water tanks potentially exploding, wiping out the other 3 reactors and making Eastern Europe a very quiet neighborhood for the next thousand years. And let's also imagine that Russias response was 'eh, we're not gonna do anything....'

Do you think governments would've just sat there and said "well, I guess that's that?"

Of course not. And that wouldn't be on a cataclysmic scale. If it's true that we're 30 years away from a tipping point and 'all credible climate scientists agree on this front' - are you telling me that we wouldn't have nations gearing up for war? That no allied front would go out there and say "Okay China - you can fix this shit or we can bomb you into oblivion because we're not all dying on account of your old power plants...."?

No, it's just kicking the US in the dick repeatedly despite the fact that our emissions levels are actually declining and that we've held largely steady for the last 30 years (a nominal increase despite increased population).

If the 'science was clear' you can put this in any other context and realize that nations wouldn't stand by and allow it. If Iran were openly building a nuclear device from a science fiction movie that was capable of splitting the world in half by exploding its core or some shit and had started a countdown clock on it, nobody would just say "Damn man, why won't Republicans give us more money?" The reaction would be...significantly more harsh.

The United States is doing a TON on its own end to reduce emissions. And by all accounts we could reduce our footprint to zero and it would mean precisely dick anyway unless significant measures were taken in the developing world to address their antiquated technologies.

So lets start there. Has anyone ever seen the silly trivia thing that says you can save more money by switching from a car that gets 12 MPG to one that gets 24 MPG than by switching from one that gets 24 MPG to one that gets 1,000 MPG? The math checks out over the 'average' 12,000 mile year (option A saves you 500 gallons; option B saves you 488). Switching from a gas guzzler to a reasonably efficient car saves more money than switching from the reasonably efficient car to a super hybrid.

Don't try to do scalpel work when there's still a lot of shovel work to be done. You can take the billions that people one to plow into reducing cow flatulance and instead address those developing nations where you'll get WAY larger marginal returns.

Nah - let's keep kicking sand at the United States. Because we're all clearly very serious so we'll pass more resolutions that don't bind anyone to anything and that the nations who are going the wrong way in emissions aren't even pretending to give a shit about. Clearly very serious business.
The most polluted place Iíve ever been was in Northern China. Shenyang to be precise. Acids rain burned plants. Coal dust so heavy in the air it looked like fog. Plants belching out orange colored junk into the air.
Iíve never heard of one politician anywhere talking about this. It shows up on Satellite imagery. No, they just want the US to write check.
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GloryDayz 07:46 AM 08-22-2019
Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo:
The most polluted place Iíve ever been was in Northern China. Shenyang to be precise. Acids rain burned plants. Coal dust so heavy in the air it looked like fog. Plants belching out orange colored junk into the air.
Iíve never heard of one politician anywhere talking about this. It shows up on Satellite imagery. No, they just want the US to write check.
I wonder what I can add to my truck's fuel to make it belch orange stuff? :-)
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scho63 07:59 AM 08-22-2019
Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo:
The most polluted place Iíve ever been was in Northern China. Shenyang to be precise. Acids rain burned plants. Coal dust so heavy in the air it looked like fog. Plants belching out orange colored junk into the air.
Iíve never heard of one politician anywhere talking about this. It shows up on Satellite imagery. No, they just want the US to write check.
:-):-)

I've been all over China, 16 times plus another 14 in Hong Kong. China is a polluting spewing cesspool and you are correct; the Paris Accord was a complete leftist farce of the highest order lead by the King of Farce himself, Barack Hussein Muslim Man Obama.

India is even worse.
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tatorhog 08:59 AM 08-22-2019
Originally Posted by GloryDayz:
I wonder what I can add to my truck's fuel to make it belch orange stuff? :-)
tang
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GloryDayz 09:12 AM 08-22-2019
Originally Posted by tatorhog:
tang
That worked...


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tatorhog 09:24 AM 08-22-2019
Originally Posted by GloryDayz:
That worked...

it also sweetens up the smell of smog
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GloryDayz 09:35 AM 08-22-2019
Originally Posted by tatorhog:
it also sweetens up the smell of smog
With all the Vitamin C I'll be adding to the atmosphere, I might have just cured the common cold!

I'll leave curing cancer to Sleepy Joe, I don't want him to lose his only campaign promise.
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scho63 10:08 AM 08-22-2019
Brazil's Amazon rainforest is burning at a record rate, research center says

I've been screaming at the top of my lungs about how the massive deforestation is the main cause of climate issues, not all the other bullshit that the Liberals keep crying about.

Maybe just maybe it ill finally get into the discussion as deserved. :-)


https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/ameri...rnd/index.html

(CNN)Fires are raging at a record rate in Brazil's Amazon rainforest, and scientists warn that it could strike a devastating blow to the fight against climate change.

The fires are burning at the highest rate since the country's space research center, the National Institute for Space Research (known by the abbreviation INPE), began tracking them in 2013, the center said Tuesday.

There have been 72,843 fires in Brazil this year, with more than half in the Amazon region, INPE said. That's more than an 80% increase compared with the same period last year.
The Amazon is often referred to as the planet's lungs, producing 20% of the oxygen in the Earth's atmosphere.

It is considered vital in slowing global warming, and it is home to uncountable species of fauna and flora. Roughly half the size of the United States, it is the largest rainforest on the planet.

🌎Just a little alert to the world: the sky randomly turned dark today in S„o Paulo, and meteorologists believe itís smoke from the fires burning *thousands* of kilometers away, in RondŰnia or Paraguay. Imagine how much has to be burning to create that much smoke(!). SOS🌎

Dramatic images and videos on social media show giant plumes of smoke rising from the greenery and lines of fire leaving blackened waste in their wake.

The smoke has reached all the way to Sao Paulo, more than 1,700 miles away. Images from the city show the sky pitch-black in the middle of the afternoon, the sun blanketed by smoke and ash.

The European Union's satellite program, Copernicus, released a map showing smoke from the fires spreading all along Brazil to the east Atlantic coast. The smoke has covered nearly half of the country and is even spilling over into neighboring Peru, Bolivia and Paraguay.

The Amazon River stretches across several of these South American countries, but the majority -- more than two-thirds -- of the rainforest lies in Brazil.

According to INPE, more than 1Ĺ soccer fields of Amazon rainforest are being destroyed every minute of every day.
People worldwide are sharing their horror on social media. Fans of the K-Pop band BTS, who call themselves the Army, are even rallying on Twitter to spread word of the fires, with tens of thousands of people tweeting the hashtag #ArmyHelpThePlanet.

Activists blame Brazil's president

Environmental groups have long been campaigning to save the Amazon, blaming Brazil's far-right president, Jair Bolsonaro, for the endangerment of the vital rainforest. They accuse him of relaxing environmental controls in the country and encouraging deforestation.

Bolsonaro's environmental policies have been controversial from the start. A former army captain, he made campaign promises to restore the economy by exploring the Amazon's economic potential.

Just weeks ago, the director of INPE was fired after a spat with the president; the director had defended satellite data that showed deforestation was 88% higher in June than a year earlier, and Bolsonaro called the findings "lies."

Bolsonaro also criticized the agency's deforestation warnings as harmful for trade negotiations, according to the Agencia Brasil news agency.

Bolsonaro's pro-business stance may have emboldened loggers, farmers and miners to seize control of a growing area of Amazon land, Carlos Rittl, executive secretary of the environmental nonprofit organization Observatorio do Clima (Climate Observatory), told CNN en EspaŮol last month.

Budget cuts and federal interference are making it even easier for people to exploit the rainforest. Brazil's environmental enforcement agency has seen its budget cut by $23 million, and official data sent to CNN by Observatorio do Clima shows the enforcement agency's operations have gone down since Bolsonaro was sworn in.

On Wednesday, Bolsonaro said that the recent wave of fires in the Amazon may have been caused by nongovernmental organizations in order to draw international criticism to his government.
"Crime exists, and we need to make sure that this type of crime does not increase. We took money away from the NGOs," he said.

"They are now feeling the pinch from the lack of funding. So, maybe the NGO types are conducting these criminal acts in order to generate negative attention against me and against the Brazilian government. This is the war we are facing."

In July, Greenpeace called Bolsonaro and his government a "threat to the climate equilibrium" and warned that in the long run, his policies would bear a "heavy cost" for the Brazilian economy.
Environmental activists and organizations like the World Wildlife Fund warn that if the Amazon reaches a point of no return, the rainforest could become a dry savannah, no longer habitable for much of its wildlife. If this happens, instead of being a source of oxygen, it could start emitting carbon -- the major driver of climate change.

CNN's Flora Charner and AJ Davis contributed to this report
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tatorhog 10:29 AM 08-22-2019
Originally Posted by GloryDayz:
With all the Vitamin C I'll be adding to the atmosphere, I might have just cured the common cold!

I'll leave curing cancer to Sleepy Joe, I don't want him to lose his only campaign promise.
the tartrazine will help speed up workers a little too. Although, you may need to crank up the ol' diesel pump to get some more exhaust to really get any effect from it.

I, for one, welcome the orange fog
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