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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Bowser 06:21 PM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by KCUnited:
In totally predictable news, a week after neighboring states open for business and get flooded with Chicagoans, Pritzker announces restaurants with outdoor seating can reopen at the end of the month. I appreciate the legislative pivot.



https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...tzker/2275370/
I mean, we're all shocked that Wisconsin isn't littered with dead Wisonsians as far as the eye can see right now, right?
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KCUnited 06:31 PM 05-20-2020
Even when it’s not about the money, it’s always about the money
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Kidd Lex 06:54 PM 05-20-2020
Fascinating read about how the virus spreads:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...ead-virus-all#

“...in a recent preprint, Adam Kucharski of LSHTM estimated that k for COVID-19 is as low as 0.1. “Probably about 10% of cases lead to 80% of the spread,” Kucharski says.

That could explain some puzzling aspects of this pandemic, including why the virus did not take off around the world sooner after it emerged in China, and why some very early cases elsewhere—such as one in France in late December 2019, reported on 3 May—apparently failed to ignite a wider outbreak. If k is really 0.1, then most chains of infection die out by themselves and SARS-CoV-2 needs to be introduced undetected into a new country at least four times to have an even chance of establishing itself, Kucharski says. If the Chinese epidemic was a big fire that sent sparks flying around the world, most of the sparks simply fizzled out.“
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petegz28 07:18 PM 05-20-2020
Media strikes again...

Headline
SUMMER SCARY: MODELS PREDICT QUARTER MILLION DEAD BY AUGUST

Headline of actual linked article
More than 5 million Americans will be infected with coronavirus and 290,000 will die by the end of July if social distancing isn't adhered to, according to COVID-19 model

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...del-shows.html

But in the article they go on to say....

Originally Posted by :
The ominous forecast from the University Of Pennsylvania's Wharton School model accounts for all states fully reopening without any social distancing measures.

In comparison, the model predicts nearly 4.3 million cases and 230,000 deaths by July 24 if states reopen but individuals maintain their social distancing efforts.

If states only partially reopen by lifting stay-at-home orders but social distancing measures are still adhered to, the model forecasts 3.1 million infections and 172,000 deaths.
So if ALL of the states do what NONE of the states are actually doing then shitloads of people will die.
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Monticore 07:28 PM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by Kidd Lex:
Fascinating read about how the virus spreads:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...ead-virus-all#

“...in a recent preprint, Adam Kucharski of LSHTM estimated that k for COVID-19 is as low as 0.1. “Probably about 10% of cases lead to 80% of the spread,” Kucharski says.

That could explain some puzzling aspects of this pandemic, including why the virus did not take off around the world sooner after it emerged in China, and why some very early cases elsewhere—such as one in France in late December 2019, reported on 3 May—apparently failed to ignite a wider outbreak. If k is really 0.1, then most chains of infection die out by themselves and SARS-CoV-2 needs to be introduced undetected into a new country at least four times to have an even chance of establishing itself, Kucharski says. If the Chinese epidemic was a big fire that sent sparks flying around the world, most of the sparks simply fizzled out.“
Interesting, looks pretty ominous for large sporting events especially indoors in the near future.
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kcclone 08:35 PM 05-20-2020
JPMorgan article showing that infection rates are actually decreasing rather than increasing after lockdowns are ending. The coronabros are gonna be pissed...


https://mobile.twitter.com/carlquint...70459450978314
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TLO 08:35 PM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by kcclone:
JPMorgan article showing that infection rates are actually decreasing rather than increasing after lockdowns are ending. The coronabros are gonna be pissed...


https://mobile.twitter.com/carlquint...70459450978314
Dead link? NVM - it's working now
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kcclone 08:36 PM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
Dead link? NVM - it's working now
Fixed
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petegz28 08:39 PM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
Dead link? NVM - it's working now
i didn't want to post the article because it was a touch political but 600 doctors sent a letter to President Trump about the medical issues being generated by the lockdown. We have been so focused on Covid we have lost sight at the fact that we have actually caused increased deaths in other areas.
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kcclone 08:43 PM 05-20-2020
Stanford study suggesting coronavirus might not be as deadly as the flu....

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...-deadly-as-flu
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DaneMcCloud 08:45 PM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Media strikes again...
And you bit
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'Hamas' Jenkins 08:52 PM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by kcclone:
Stanford study suggesting coronavirus might not be as deadly as the flu....

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...-deadly-as-flu
If you cherry pick the data, ignore peer-reviewed publications, and don't actually read the article, sure.
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Chief Pagan 08:57 PM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by kcclone:
JPMorgan article showing that infection rates are actually decreasing rather than increasing after lockdowns are ending. The coronabros are gonna be pissed...


https://mobile.twitter.com/carlquint...70459450978314
If only we had never locked down, the virus would have disappeared weeks ago.

NYC was on the right track until they started disinfecting the subway.
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kcclone 09:08 PM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
If only we had never locked down, the virus would have disappeared weeks ago.

NYC was on the right track until they started disinfecting the subway.


Interesting Bloomberg article comparing lockdown responses with their results:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...ths-recession/
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Strongside 09:33 PM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by kcclone:
Interesting Bloomberg article comparing lockdown responses with their results:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...ths-recession/
So Italy takes the most aggressive stance, effectively putting their entire country in a vice long before the Pandemic was declared - they suffer the worst casualties.

Sweden doesn't do shit. Says fuck it, we're going on with our lives - have one of the best results in the entire world.

Seems to back up this weirdness being claimed by some that the loosening of restrictions is actually decreasing infections.

Perhaps it will be revealed that this disease only infects the sedentary.

As Tom Petty said, "I don't know, but I been told, you never slow down, you never get COVID."
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