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Prison Bitch 04:45 PM 11-11-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
I can prove that Crossfire Hurricane started with Papajohnpappolus running his mouth, yes. From multiple sources.

Silly Bitch. You never learn.


I told you this is false. “Running ones mouth”, digging for dirt, and even collusion are not crimes. Therefore the FBI didn’t open Crossfire to look at noncrimes.


Have you figured out yet what actually caused Crossfire (and eventually The Mueller investigation)?
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Prison Bitch 02:26 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
The clear disconnect with him is he doesn't seem to understand that that is not a reasonable predicate to open an investigation which has been explained ad nauseum. The discussion and theories about Hillary's emails were taking place all over the US and globe by that time.

That clearly indicates there was investigation going on previous to this encounter and Page was simply used as an excuse to get the FISA process started as he had already been under investigation previously, and ironically, nothing found on him then.

Its obvious to anyone with half a brain THAT incident did not "cause" the investigation. There was already an investigation looking for an excuse to go deeper.


Key point. We know that the Aussie didn’t even tell the FBI the name of his “informant” (Papadopolous). The FBI assumed it was either Carter Page or Paul Manafort for the reason you stated: pre-existing investigations.


The IG report p52 tells us this is the case:

”McCabe’s contemporaneous notes reflect that the FFG information, Carter Page, and Manafort were discussed on July 29....McCabe told us this discussion likely included the Director (Comey).”


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Donger 03:40 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Key point. We know that the Aussie didn’t even tell the FBI the name of his “informant” (Papadopolous). The FBI assumed it was either Carter Page or Paul Manafort for the reason you stated: pre-existing investigations.


The IG report p52 tells us this is the case:

”McCabe’s contemporaneous notes reflect that the FFG information, Carter Page, and Manafort were discussed on July 29....McCabe told us this discussion likely included the Director (Comey).”

False, Bitch:

According to the information provided by the FFG, in May 2016, a Trump campaign foreign policy advisor, George Papadopoulos, "suggested" to an FFG official that the Trump campaign had received "some kind of suggestion" from Russia that it could assist with the anonymous release of information that would be damaging to Hillary Clinton {Trump's opponent in the presidential election) and President Barack Obama.

And, that quote doesn't mean what you think it means, obviously.
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Donger 03:41 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
The clear disconnect with him is he doesn't seem to understand that that is not a reasonable predicate to open an investigation which has been explained ad nauseum. The discussion and theories about Hillary's emails were taking place all over the US and globe by that time.

That clearly indicates there was investigation going on previous to this encounter and Page was simply used as an excuse to get the FISA process started as he had already been under investigation previously, and ironically, nothing found on him then.

Its obvious to anyone with half a brain THAT incident did not "cause" the investigation. There was already an investigation looking for an excuse to go deeper.
Oh, you want to play, too? Okay:

He also said that when the FBI received the FFG information it was a "tipping point" in terms of opening a counterintelligence investigation regarding Russia's attempts to influence and interfere with the 2016 U.S. elections because not only was there information that Russia was targeting U.S. political institutions, but now the FBI had received an allegation from a trusted partner that there had been some sort of contact between the Russians and the Trump campaign.

As I told Bitch, yes, Page was under investigation long before he joined the Trump campaign.
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Prison Bitch 04:53 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
And, that quote doesn't mean what you think it means, obviously.
Because it destroys your idiotic premise.

P90: “in regard to the information the FFG provided us, we had no indication as to which person the Trump campaign allegedly received the offer from the Russians. There was no specific US person identified.”


They only had guesses who it was, and that’s why they only talked about Page + Manafort.
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Donger 05:04 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Because it destroys your idiotic premise.

P90: “in regard to the information the FFG provided us, we had no indication as to which person the Trump campaign allegedly received the offer from the Russians. There was no specific US person identified.”


They only had guesses who it was, and that’s why they only talked about Page + Manafort.
No, Bitch. Post the whole thing:

While the Counterintelligence Division does regularly provide defensive briefings to U.S. government officials or possible soon to be officials, in my experience, we do this when there is no indication, whatsoever, that the person to whom we would brief could be working with the relevant foreign adversary. In other words, we provide defensive briefings when we obtain information indicating a foreign adversary is trying or will try to influence a specific U.S. person, and when there is no indication that the specific U.S. person could be working with the adversary. In regard to the information the [FFG] provided us, we had no indication as to which person in the Trump campaign allegedly received the offer from the Russians. There was no specific U.S. person identified. We also had no indication, whatsoever, that the person affiliated with the Trump campaign had rejected the alleged offer from the Russians. In fact, the information we received indicated that Papadopoulos told the [FFG] he felt confident Mr. Trump would win the election, and Papadopoulos commented that the Clintons had a lot of baggage and that the Trump team had plenty of material to use in its campaign. While Papadopoulos didn't say where the Trump team had received the "material," one could reasonably infer that some of the material might have come from the Russians. Had we provided a defensive briefing to someone on the Trump campaign, we would have alerted the campaign to what we were looking into, and, if someone on the campaign was engaged with the Russians, he/she would very likely change his/her tactics and/or otherwise seek to cover-up his/her activities, thereby preventing us from finding the truth. On the other hand, if no one on the Trump campaign was working with the Russians, an investigation could prove that. Because the possibility existed that someone on the Trump campaign could have taken the Russians up on their offer, I thought it wise to open an investigation to look into the situation.

As you can see, that's not in reference to Papajohnpapolus, but to what member of the Trump campaign got the information from him.

Again, no, they weren't guessing at all:

According to the information provided by the FFG, in May 2016, a Trump campaign foreign policy advisor, George Papadopoulos, "suggested" to an FFG official that the Trump campaign had received "some kind of suggestion" from Russia that it could assist with the anonymous release of information that would be damaging to Hillary Clinton {Trump's opponent in the presidential election) and President Barack Obama.

As to this quote:

”McCabe’s contemporaneous notes reflect that the FFG information, Carter Page, and Manafort were discussed on July 29....McCabe told us this discussion likely included the Director (Comey).”

That means that the FFG information (Papajohnpapiolus), Carter Page AND Manafort were discussed on July 29, moron.

Sorry Bitch. You're just wrong. Again.

:-)
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Donger 05:06 PM 11-12-2020
And, while you're on the floor, I'll kick you in the head with this, Bitch:

Additionally, given t he low threshold for predication in the AG Guidelines and the DIOG, we concluded that the FFG information, provided by a government the United States Intelligence Community (USIC) deems trustworthy, and describing a first-hand account from an FFG employee of a conversation with Papadopoulos, was sufficient to predicate the investigation.
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Prison Bitch 05:14 PM 11-12-2020
P59 tells us Strzok traveled to Europe to interview Papp August 1. Strzok was told he never had any contact with Russians and didn’t identify anyone who did.



Strzok went ahead and opened up cases anyway on Page + Manafort. Proving my thesis:


”On August 10 the team opened separate counterintelligence FARA cases on Carter Page and Manafort”


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Donger 05:26 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
P59 tells us Strzok traveled to Europe to interview Papp August 1. Strzok was told he never had any contact with Russians and didn’t identify anyone who did.



Strzok went ahead and opened up cases anyway on Page + Manafort. Proving my thesis:


”On August 10 the team opened separate counterintelligence FARA cases on Carter Page and Manafort”

No, Bitch. Strzok didn't travel to Europe on August 1 to interview Papajohnpapolus:

On August 1, 2016, Strzok and a supervisory special agent (SSA 1) traveled to the European city to interview the FFG officials who met with Papadopoulos in May 2016.

As you can see, they interviewed the FFG officials, not Papajohnpapolus.

And, of course, no that doesn't prove your thesis that the FFG didn't mention Papajohnpapolus, Bitch. At all. You've already been proven wrong. The Aussies absolutely mentioned Papajohnpapolus. Do you accept that fact, or are you going to pretend they didn't and continue lying about it?

Not very smart of you to start this thread and its subsequent beating, was/is it, Bitch?

:-)

You never learn, idiot.
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stumppy 05:47 PM 11-12-2020
:-)
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lawrenceRaider 05:51 PM 11-12-2020
Everyone beating the dead Donger horse should be ashamed of themselves.

You might as well list in the wind.
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Donger 05:53 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
Everyone beating the dead Donger horse should be ashamed of themselves.

You might as well list in the wind.
Have you read this thread?
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Shields68 05:55 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Oh, you want to play, too? Okay:

He also said that when the FBI received the FFG information it was a "tipping point" in terms of opening a counterintelligence investigation regarding Russia's attempts to influence and interfere with the 2016 U.S. elections because not only was there information that Russia was targeting U.S. political institutions, but now the FBI had received an allegation from a trusted partner that there had been some sort of contact between the Russians and the Trump campaign.

As I told Bitch, yes, Page was under investigation long before he joined the Trump campaign.
You mean Page was cooperating with the CIA long before joining the campaign. Funny that team Mueller never discovered that nugget of truth and uncovered the lie on the sworn FISA affidavit.
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Prison Bitch 05:59 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
No, Bitch. Strzok didn't travel to Europe on August 1 to interview Papajohnpapolus:

On August 1, 2016, Strzok and a supervisory special agent (SSA 1) traveled to the European city to interview the FFG officials who met with Papadopoulos in May 2016.

As you can see, they interviewed the FFG officials, not Papajohnpapolus.

And, of course, no that doesn't prove your thesis that the FFG didn't mention Papajohnpapolus, Bitch. At all. You've already been proven wrong. The Aussies absolutely mentioned Papajohnpapolus. Do you accept that fact, or are you going to pretend they didn't and continue lying about it?

Not very smart of you to start this thread and its subsequent beating, was/is it, Bitch?

:-)

You never learn, idiot.




Why did Strzok open up cases on Page + Manafort?
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Donger 06:01 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by Shields68:
You mean Page was cooperating with the CIA long before joining the campaign. Funny that team Mueller never discovered that nugget of truth and uncovered the lie on the sworn FISA affidavit.
I've never heard that before. Nor is it germane to this thread.

This thread is about Bitch foolishly challenging my assertion that Papajohnpapouols running his mouth triggered CH.

As everyone can see, it did.
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Donger 06:06 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Why did Strzok open up cases on Page + Manafort?
As summarized below, the opening ECs for the investigations provided similar descriptions of the predicating information relied upon to open the cases. The ECs differed in their descriptions of the particular activities of the subjects that gained the FBI's attention.
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