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Washington DC and The Holy Land>How long will trump's embarrassing refusal to concede continue?
RodeoPants2 01:11 PM 11-11-2020
He's behind by

MI - 149,000 votes
NV - 37,000 votes and growing
WI - 21,000 votes pending a recount
PA - 47,000 votes and growing
AZ - 13,000 votes and shrinking (but not shrinking fast enough)
GA - 14,000 votes pending a recount

Edit - he needs at least 3 of these to change to flip the electoral college; it's not happening.

Recounts change totals on the order of hundreds, not thousands, and his time is up.

Results need to be certified end of November
Electors vote on 12/14.

When does trump give up this hopeless fight?
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Merde Furieux 01:36 PM 11-12-2020
FLASHBACK: Dr. Andrew Appel, a Princeton Professor of Computer Science, and an election security expert demonstrates in 2016 on Fox News how a Dominion Voting Machine could be hacked to switch votes from one candidate to another. pic.twitter.com/PHx9eDg7Nt

— The Election Wizard🧙*♂️ (@Wizard_Predicts) November 12, 2020

Dominion Systems Hacking

Dr. Andrew Appel, a Princeton Professor of Computer Science, and an election security expert demonstrates in 2016 on Fox News how a Dominion Voting Machine could be hacked to switch votes from one candidate to another.

VIDEO HERE:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1326892069667950592

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/bre...ion-flashback/
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GloryDayz 01:37 PM 11-12-2020
I hope he never does. It's just one facet of a larger "resist" agenda, right?
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kstater 01:49 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By:
Yuuuge win for Trump here. Dozens of ballots that haven't been part of the vote total yet will not be accepted

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patteeu 02:11 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by kstater:
Yuuuge win for Trump here. Dozens of ballots that haven't been part of the vote total yet will not be accepted

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You know what they say... a win is a win.
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kstater 02:13 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by patteeu:
You know what they say... a win is a win.
I do not concede to that

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BleedingRed 02:15 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by kstater:
Yuuuge win for Trump here. Dozens of ballots that haven't been part of the vote total yet will not be accepted

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I guess your missing the point of that of the ruling, the EXECUTIVE doesn't have the authority to change election law.

Mail in ballots had to be received by poll closing under election law. Clearly they were not.
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Buehler445 10:16 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by cosmo20002:
Yes, you are.

Everyone knows he has the same rights as Gore. WTF does that have to do with anything? Having the right to do something doesn't mean you should do it.

The 2000 Florida vote was so close it triggered automatic recounts. Most of the litigation had to do with how to count the several different types of fucked-up ballots they had. They weren't based on what someone heard someone else say about whether truckloads of fake ballots were being brought in. It was a result with a difference of a few hundred. There were real, reasonable issues there.

Today's issue has to do with states that are 15,000 to 150,000 difference. Other than GA being close enough to trigger an automatic recount, the only "issues" are stuff based on unsubstantiated bullshit being spread on twitter and pushed by Trump. It's such BS that even if it was correct, it still wouldn't be enough votes to matter. And you're clapping for it.
It has everything to do with it, whackjob. Everything you posted as "fact" is unproven. That's what the investigation, WHICH HE IS ENTITLED TO, is for. If the investigation yields everything is on the up and up he needs to concede or face the law.

That's all. You're whaling and flailing because you're making assumptions about the subject of the investigation.

That's all.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
He publicly declared himself the winner of the election last Thursday based on no evidence whatsoever and has maintained that position despite every network projecting the election for his opponent (including the network that has fed Trump propaganda in prime time for four years). He continues to make demonstrably false claims on Twitter about systemic voter fraud having determined the election (oddly ignoring the fact that somehow that fraud didn’t extend to every other Republican at the senate and house level where they destroyed the Dems) and that counting centers did not allow observers. None of this is normal by the standards of any presidential election in our lifetimes. Now I doubt he actually believes this shit, but millions will as a result of his behavior and he surely knows that.
Didn't know any of that. Not a great look, but neither has most of his other tweets.


Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
I still think the electoral institutions are strong enough in this country to prevent someone like him from operating outside of the law, but I am afraid of the kind of political behavior that he’s now normalized going forward. He’s devalued and sowed doubt in the democratic process in the eyes of many and there may be a price to pay for that down the road.
I'd argue the political behavior was there long before him. Obama made all manner of cunty comments to McCain while doing Senate business about "elections have consequences". Furthermore, he presided over the least productive Congress of my lifetime once there was a repudiation of Democrats in Congress. I know everyone wants to blame Reid, but if Obama calls Reid into his office and says, "listen, cut the shit, we need to do business here." He'd have done it.

There has been backbiting, and dirty politics forever, but the current environment isn't entirely on Trump, despite what the media would like you to believe.

Corruption and voter fraud wasn't invented in 2020. See Chicago, Southern elections in Jim Crow, various other fuckery throughout history. If it happened this time, the most important thing is that it is found and mitigating controls are put into place.



Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
Like so many other things, he didn't 'sow' anything that wasn't already rampant weeds everywhere.

There is plenty of doubt in the democratic processes, from many many sides. Mail-in ballots, computer tabulation and verification, these are countered just as strongly by the passionate assertion that any attempt at eligibility verification is racist and marginalizing. That's why openness, thoroughness and transparency are so important, much more important than a concocted premature narrative of conclusion.
Well said.
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RodeoPants2 10:53 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by patteeu:
Trump doesn’t have that problem either.

But again, regardless of whether you approve of the widespread violence of the left this year, it dwarfed violence from the right.

How do you feel about trumps embarrassing refusal concede, and his choice to lie and undermine democracy?
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patteeu 11:18 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
How do you feel about trumps embarrassing refusal concede, and his choice to lie and undermine democracy?
I'm unfamiliar with this.
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LiveSteam 11:28 PM 11-12-2020
Take it all the way. Trumps in it to win it.
Make the States pick the next POTUS.
Pubs 37 states
Rats. 13 states
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RodeoPants2 11:49 PM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by patteeu:
I'm unfamiliar with this.

Are you under the impression he’s conceded?

Do you feel his all caps tweet about millions of cases of voter fraud was truthful?
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LiveSteam 12:04 AM 11-13-2020
Does a Rodeopants2 jerk off to male porn mags in the woods?
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RodeoPants2 12:22 AM 11-13-2020
Originally Posted by LiveSteam:
Does a Rodeopants2 jerk off to male porn mags in the woods?

Coincidentally, your wife asked to introduce something similar into our love making the other night before I stuck the ball gag back in her mouth.
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KC_Connection 01:36 AM 11-13-2020
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
I'd argue the political behavior was there long before him. Obama made all manner of ****y comments to McCain while doing Senate business about "elections have consequences". Furthermore, he presided over the least productive Congress of my lifetime once there was a repudiation of Democrats in Congress. I know everyone wants to blame Reid, but if Obama calls Reid into his office and says, "listen, cut the shit, we need to do business here." He'd have done it.

There has been backbiting, and dirty politics forever, but the current environment isn't entirely on Trump, despite what the media would like you to believe.
Not to this extent. And this isn't just dirty politics. This appears to be an active attempt to subvert US democracy at its core with blatant lies and sham lawsuits with no evidence. It may not actually work this time (the institutions in place are likely too strong), but it sets the precedent for attempts like this in the future. He's normalized such behavior now and I wouldn't be surprised if we saw elements of it from both sides following future elections. World history tells us that democracies like the US has are far more fragile than we like to admit.

For a brief description of what the sham lawsuits could actually accomplish (especially if there are an unprincipled few in power willing to go along with them):

Originally Posted by :
But these are unusual times.

The harm in letting these lawsuits play out is that “it's not impossible that they will succeed,” said Chris Edelson, a government professor at American University, lawyer and fellow at the Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies.

"I just think everybody is freaking out because the Constitution and federal statutes have all these bizarre provisions" dealing with disputes over electoral votes, said Rick Hasen, an election law expert from the University of California-Irvine.

If judges allow Republican legislatures to overturn a vote of the people, Hasen said, “it would provoke massive social unrest. ... I think it would be the end of American democracy as we know it.”

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel told USA TODAY that state authorities are preparing for such a worst-case scenario: A bid to push the Republican-controlled state legislature to appoint a slate of Trump electors to the Electoral College.

Nessel, however, said she did not know whether the Trump campaign would pursue such a strategy. She said such an effort would threaten “a loss of democracy.”

“We are preparing for every set of circumstances that could be imagined,” Nessel, a Democrat, said. “We absolutely intend to vigorously fight against that type of scenario.”

A federal lawsuit filed this week in Michigan asks a judge to block the state board of canvassers and Wayne County’s canvassing board from certifying election results if they contain fraudulent or illegally cast ballots. The suit alleges election officials backdated some ballots that were received late and excluded challengers from a “meaningful opportunity” to observe ballot processing.

The lawsuit includes affidavits from more than 100 people claiming a range of irregularities, from the improper tabulation of votes to denying observers access to counting. The claims, however, do not include evidence of widespread fraud, state officials said.

Biden has a 146,000-vote lead in Michigan. The state canvassing board, two Democrats and two Republicans, is set to weigh certification Nov. 23.

That deadline is important.

In each state, a governmental body or official certifies the election results, essentially declaring the winner. It’s first done at the county level, then the state. The certification is used to determine which slate of electors — one for Biden, the other for Trump — will cast the state’s Electoral College votes.

A delay in the certification could jeopardize the state’s ability to have its electoral votes submitted to Congress by what’s known as the Safe Harbor deadline on Dec. 8. If states meet that deadline, Congress has said it must accept the states’ electoral votes.

“If you could just get it (certification) blocked long enough, you could claim there is no popular vote in the state that is official," said Edward "Ned" Foley, an Ohio State University law professor and director of the school’s election law program.

Trevor Potter, president of the Campaign Legal Center, said the lawsuits show “a strategy born of desperation.”

“I think the Trump people are looking at this and saying, we're not going to win the recounts, we're not going to win the popular vote in these states,” said Potter, a Republican, former chairman of the Federal Election Commission and former general counsel to John McCain’s presidential campaigns.

Given that, he said, Trump allies are thinking, “the only thing we can do is cast enough doubt on the election in a couple of big states to try to undermine the legitimacy of the results in those states and somehow prevent certification of those results.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...cy/6271760002/
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KC_Connection 01:41 AM 11-13-2020
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
Like so many other things, he didn't 'sow' anything that wasn't already rampant weeds everywhere.

There is plenty of doubt in the democratic processes, from many many sides. Mail-in ballots, computer tabulation and verification, these are countered just as strongly by the passionate assertion that any attempt at eligibility verification is racist and marginalizing. That's why openness, thoroughness and transparency are so important, much more important than a concocted premature narrative of conclusion.
If you believe what Donald Trump is attempting right now (with his lies and sham lawsuits designed to delay certification) is about openness and transparency, I've got a bridge to sell you.
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