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Mephistopheles Janx 03:06 PM 11-06-2020
I just picked up a new monitor (34" Ultra Wide 1440p 144MHz 1500R Curve Samsung Panel -VA) to replace my 3 monitor setup (24" ASUS 1080p). Now I need a new video card to drive the monitor.

My current rig is:

Intel Core i-7 4770k Processor
32GB DDR3 Memory
Gigabyte Z97MX-Gaming 5 Motherboard
Radeon RX 570 Video Card

This card is going to struggle to push anything more than low to medium graphics on games with this new monitor. Where I'm torn is the cost of new video cards.

If I'm looking hard enough, I can stumble across an open box 5600 for $200 or $230 new. A 5700 for $320 (open box) or $350 new. But at that point... why would I just not drop another $100 for the 6700 at $449?

Ultimately... that makes the 5700 a non player and I'm left choosing between a 5600 at $230 or a 6700 at $450. I'd rather not spend an extra $220 but I feel like the 6700 would probably be the last video card my current build sees.

Then what about the 20x series by nVidia? By paying a touch more I get Ray Tracing which is cool but I'm not paying for a 2080, for what I would pay for a 2070 I may as well snag one of the new AMD cards. A 2060 is going for $320 new... I don't know that Ray Tracing is worth nearly $100.

Better yet... do any of you fellow nerds have an itch to update and want to sell me their 5k/20x series cards?
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BigBeauford 04:01 PM 11-06-2020
I'm looking into probably the 3060 Ti for $399 when that materializes, or a 3070 for $499 (which is insane value considering it is equivalent to the 2080ti).
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Pants 04:18 PM 11-06-2020
The market hasn't been this competitive since like the mid-2000's.

I am shocked how good the Big Navi ended up being. I never bought into the hype and I was wrong.
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Fish 04:22 PM 11-06-2020
3070 will be my next card...

That said, AMD released their next line, Big Navi and RDNA 2. Which is supposed to be pretty impressive. And will also lower the prices of their current lineup quite a bit.
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hometeam 07:32 PM 11-06-2020
No reason to look at 20 series nvidia cards when you can rock a 3070. The RT performance on 2 series cards is trash, or wait a lil bit and get that 6700.



Ive got a 1080ti laying on my desk that would be perfect, but used its gonna run ya in that same 3-400 range, with performance on par with a 2080 and no RT
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Demonpenz 10:57 PM 11-06-2020
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Fish 11:49 PM 11-06-2020
Tip: If you want to compare video cards, simply go to Google, and type your comparison, like "AMD 6500 vs. GTX 2080."

Userbenchmark.com normally has an exact performance comparison for every card, along with an average price point. Be sure and compare, and note the price differences.
Sometimes a card can cost $100 more, but not really give you that much actual real world performance increase for what you're using it for. Technically the same goes for CPUs, etc.
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hometeam 12:33 AM 11-07-2020
Originally Posted by Fish:
Tip: If you want to compare video cards, simply go to Google, and type your comparison, like "AMD 6500 vs. GTX 2080."

Userbenchmark.com normally has an exact performance comparison for every card, along with an average price point. Be sure and compare, and note the price differences.
Sometimes a card can cost $100 more, but not really give you that much actual real world performance increase for what you're using it for. Technically the same goes for CPUs, etc.
Side note~ userbenchmarks changed its metrics to heavily favor intel processors sometime a while back, so I wouldn't use it for CPUs.

For GPUs its still pretty reliable
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Mephistopheles Janx 02:45 AM 11-07-2020
More research done on the subject. The processor I have bottlenecks performance after the 5600XT/2060 and even then I'm gonna have to OC the processor by about 10% to get there.

Now... I get to decide. Do I pick up the 5600XT or do I get the 2060 so that I, at least, get a taste or RT.
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hometeam 08:12 AM 11-07-2020
Forget 2 series cards and RT. Especially in a 2060. What good is RT if your only getting 17 FPS.
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hometeam 08:16 AM 11-07-2020
For example, im rocking a 3090, 1440p ultra settings with RT on, in games like watch dog legion im getting 52 fps at 1440p, and that card is literally 4x as powerful in RT performance than a 2060.

To be fair, im getting about 140 fps in Warzone with RT on, but that still translates to something like 30~ fps on a 2060 to one of the better performing RT games.

Get the most raster performance you can for your dollar. And that is likely a 3070 (or a 3080 if you have the lil extra cash), and that gives you an upgrade path later as well. Dont buy one of these last gen cards on the cusp of the new wave if you are looking from a value standpoint.
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Mephistopheles Janx 10:34 AM 11-07-2020
Originally Posted by hometeam:
For example, im rocking a 3090, 1440p ultra settings with RT on, in games like watch dog legion im getting 52 fps at 1440p, and that card is literally 4x as powerful in RT performance than a 2060.

To be fair, I'm getting about 140 fps in Warzone with RT on, but that still translates to something like 30~ fps on a 2060 to one of the better performing RT games.

Get the most raster performance you can for your dollar. And that is likely a 3070 (or a 3080 if you have the lil extra cash), and that gives you an upgrade path later as well. Dont buy one of these last gen cards on the cusp of the new wave if you are looking from a value standpoint.
Wots the point if the GPU is gonna be bottlenecked by the CPU though? My intent is to run this PC through the life of this video card, whatever I buy, and then will have to build a new one. I'm hoping to get another 3-4 years out of this CPU as the heart of my main PC.
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jd1020 11:48 AM 11-07-2020
Originally Posted by Mephistopheles Janx:
Wots the point if the GPU is gonna be bottlenecked by the CPU though? My intent is to run this PC through the life of this video card, whatever I buy, and then will have to build a new one. I'm hoping to get another 3-4 years out of this CPU as the heart of my main PC.
If you are looking to keep your computer around for another 3-4 years then you shouldnt even be thinking about RT if your current CPU cant even handle midrange GPUs.

I'm still rocking a 1070ti at 1080p and dont feel any need to upgrade. I'm still getting 100+ FPS in most everything I play because I always change the settings so that the most ridiculous graphics that you dont notice aren't eating away at performance.
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Mephistopheles Janx 12:00 PM 11-07-2020
Originally Posted by jd1020:
If you are looking to keep your computer around for another 3-4 years then you shouldnt even be thinking about RT if your current CPU cant even handle midrange GPUs.

I'm still rocking a 1070ti at 1080p and dont feel any need to upgrade. I'm still getting 100+ FPS in most everything I play because I always change the settings so that the most ridiculous graphics that you dont notice aren't eating away at performance.
My CPU will handle a 2060 (or a 5600XT). That is the most it will handle though. Is that not a mid-range GPU or has the paradigm shifted once the 6l/30 series was released?

I'm basically shopping for this current build's last ever video card. I'm gonna OC my 4770K (3.5GHz) to match a 4790K (4.0 GHz) and OC the memory (unknown specs on that as of yet) to give this build one last contract in it's HOF career.

I didn't feel the need to upgrade from my RX 570 / 24" 1080p monitor as much as we needed another monitor in the house so I went ahead and bought something that would be as future proof as I could afford. Now I'm trying to drive it as effectively as possible under the circumstances.
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jd1020 01:25 PM 11-07-2020
Originally Posted by Mephistopheles Janx:
My CPU will handle a 2060 (or a 5600XT). That is the most it will handle though. Is that not a mid-range GPU or has the paradigm shifted once the 6l/30 series was released?

I'm basically shopping for this current build's last ever video card. I'm gonna OC my 4770K (3.5GHz) to match a 4790K (4.0 GHz) and OC the memory (unknown specs on that as of yet) to give this build one last contract in it's HOF career.

I didn't feel the need to upgrade from my RX 570 / 24" 1080p monitor as much as we needed another monitor in the house so I went ahead and bought something that would be as future proof as I could afford. Now I'm trying to drive it as effectively as possible under the circumstances.
I don't know what AMD is looking like but as far as nVidia, 2060 is about as middle of the road as it gets. There's only the 1650 and 1660 and its Super/TI variants below it.
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