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Washington DC and The Holy Land>Liberals... What exactly are you afraid of?
GloryDayz 10:04 PM 12-22-2016
We've seen the supposedly calm-and-cool flower children of the left morph from self-proclaimed peace loving people to ravenous angry old wo/men now that Hillary lost. So far all we've heard are claims that Donald Trump is terrible and the worst person in the world.

We all know he grabbed the pussy of a woman who wasn't bothered by it enough to file against him; is that what's so bad that he'll end the world? He's rich?

What's he going to do, or undo, that's going to end the world? What progress has happened that's now going to be stopped or reversed/undone?

Can you please be more specific, what are you afraid of?

Discuss...
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Trolly McTrollson 08:17 AM 12-23-2016
Trade wars, the empowerment of far-right hate groups, exacerbated environmental destruction, damage to our democratic traditions, Putin seizing the Baltic states, general incompetence, and the kind of theft/graft Trump is famous for.
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Trolly McTrollson 08:20 AM 12-23-2016
Also, threats to civil liberties like expanding libel laws against the press, attacks on gay rights, stopping progress on marijuana decriminalization.
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Fishpicker 08:22 AM 12-23-2016
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson:
the empowerment of far-right hate groups,
just wait 'till the KKK has horses. there's going to be a big uptick in hate crimes from horseback
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Trolly McTrollson 08:24 AM 12-23-2016
Originally Posted by BWillie:
I always got a kick out of Bernie Sanders saying he would make all college free. Now that would really dilute the system. Are they going to make Harvard free too? .
Of course not. Like, his plan is easy to find on the web, you could go there yourself instead of asking Chiefsplanet.
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HonestChieffan 08:24 AM 12-23-2016
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson:
Trade wars, the empowerment of far-right hate groups, exacerbated environmental destruction, damage to our democratic traditions, Putin seizing the Baltic states, general incompetence, and the kind of theft/graft Trump is famous for.
Who is General Incompetence?
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Fishpicker 08:26 AM 12-23-2016
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson:
attacks on gay rights,
that's one of Trump's strong suits. Hillary was the candidate that wouldn't commit to protecting LGBT. hell, she wouldn't even broach the subject

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson:
stopping progress on marijuana decriminalization.
its never going to be fully legalized. Nixon fucked that up big time. and our drug laws are written into international treaties. it's literally impossible to undo that.
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Trolly McTrollson 08:28 AM 12-23-2016
Originally Posted by Fishpicker:
just wait 'till the KKK has horses. there's going to be a big uptick in hate crimes from horseback
The KKK planned a victory parade after Trumps's election, it seems safe to say the feel emboldened. That's obv not to say all Trump fans share those views, but y'all have some unsavory fellow travelers on board.

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan:
Who is General Incompetence?
Trump's pick for the head of NASA, IIRC.
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HonestChieffan 08:29 AM 12-23-2016
Originally Posted by oaklandhater:
that's why gay's are freaking.


Although Donald Trump called himself a “supporter” of LGBTQ rights, his cabinet and senior staff will include some of the most anti-gay politicians in the country.

On one of the biggest decisions a president can make, the selection of a Supreme Court Justice, Trump suggested he might make same-sex marriage a litmus test for his choice. In January, he told Fox News he would “strongly consider” appointing Supreme Court justices who would overturn the 2015 decision allowing same-sex marriage. He’s also said he would appoint a justice like the late Antonin Scalia. Scalia, you may recall, wrote a blistering dissent against the same-sex marriage ruling, and has ruled against legalizing sodomy.

But, then, Trump says a lot of things he doesn’t remember saying. Many people in the know say that his views on many issues are all over the place, and he’s likely to follow the advice of the person he last talked to. So let’s consider some of the people – some deadly serious about rolling back gay rights – who will have his ear and are likely to pursue their agenda independently within their domains.

Jeff Sessions

The Attorney General is the top law enforcement officer and lawyer for the U.S. government. He or she is expected to protect Americans and not have animus against certain groups – like the LGBTQ community, women and people of color. So it is a concern that the Human Rights Campaign has given Sessions a “zero percent” voting record on LGBT rights.

This record goes beyond voting for a failed constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and against the repeal of “Don’t ask don’t tell,” as Sessions did, and includes his opposition to expanding the definition of a hate crime to include LGBTQ people. As head of the Justice Department, Sessions could undermine hate crime protections and undo Obama’s directive to schools not to discriminate against transgender students.

Ben Carson

The former pediatric brain surgeon and failed GOP candidate for President has some, to put it politely, interesting views on many things, including his theory that the pyramids in Egypt were constructed for storing grain. On LGBTQ rights, he’s notably hostile, saying that sexual orientation is a choice, comparing gay sex to bestiality, and opining that LGBTQs have more rights than Christians in America. He’s the choice for Housing and Urban Development (HUD) Secretary. He’s also opposed to non-discrimination laws of all kind, laws he would be tasked with enforcing. As HUD Secretary he could rescind a 2012 rule prohibiting anti-LGBT discrimination in federally funded housing for low-income people, as one example.

Betsy DeVos

The billionaire Republican donor Betsy DeVos is not only anti-public school – we’re noticing a trend of nominating those who are opposed to the mission of the cabinets they would lead – she’s also an antigay activist. Her family has donated to anti-gay groups, including groups that advocate for the widely discredited conversion therapy to “cure” gays of their same-sex attraction.

LGBTQ kids have reason for concern, as Devos could remove the protection of favorable guidance in schools, including the Department of Education’s letters that have taken a strong stand against antigay and ant-trans policies in school districts.

Steve Bannon

As Trump’s top White House adviser not subject to Congressional confirmation, Steve Bannon will have the President’s ear. He’s been getting deserved consternation for his views on race and his alleged coddling of white supremacists. But as the chairman of Breitbart News Network, he also signed off on antigay stories, with headlines like “Gay Rights Have Made Us Dumber, It’s Time to Get Back in the Closet.”

Mike Pence

And then there’s Vice President-elect Mike Pence. As Indiana governor, Pence signed a controversial “license to discriminate” bill that allowed business to refuse service to LGBTQ people. As a Congressman, he urged lawmakers to “oppose any effort to put gay and lesbian relationships on an equal legal status.”

“One thing we know is that Pence is deeply devoted to undermining the human and civil rights of the LGBTQ community,” writes Emily Hauser in The Week. Hauser says Americans should pay close attention to what Pence does, as he’s already playing an outsized role in the administration, almost a shadow President.

And I’m not even counting members of the transition policy team, which includes a Breitbart editor who has worked for antigay groups and has written about the “homosexual agenda.” Plus, the Trump transition team’s domestic policy advisor, Ken Blackwell, has said gays can be reformed, “just like arsonists.”

Will the beliefs and past actions of these officials, assuming the ones up for confirmation are confirmed, matter to the day-to-day lives of LGBTQ Americans? Are hard-won gains of recent years in danger of being rolled back? Most definitely.

It’s become clear that as far as broad public opinion goes, the equality train has left the station. A solid majority of Americans approves of same-sex marriage. The Pew poll even found that 51 percent think that a person should use the restroom that corresponds to his or her gender identity. In North Carolina, Republican Gov. Pat McCrory was defeated, likely for pushing House Bill 2, the infamous “bathroom bill,” that brought an economic backlash to the state.

But the general public doesn’t make laws. And this election, we’re told, turned on economic anxiety of the white working class (and as I and others have pointed out, white resentment). LGBTQ rights were not well-explored in the general campaign, possibly because so many of the gains under the Obama administration were considered “settled.” But let’s be honest, nothing is ever settled.

There are many unknowns in the upcoming administration. I would say, ignore what the administration says – and please, for the sake of your sanity, ignore the tweets – and look closely at what it does. LGBTQ rights can be rolled back. Without close scrutiny and, if necessary, public outcry, the civil rights gains of this community could recede like the tide.
Are you on meds for your issues?
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Fishpicker 08:40 AM 12-23-2016
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson:
The KKK planned a victory parade after Trumps's election, it seems safe to say the feel emboldened. That's obv not to say all Trump fans share those views, but y'all have some unsavory fellow travelers on board.
I swear the Left's demand for overt racism is so much larger than the supply.
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Baby Lee 08:42 AM 12-23-2016
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson:
y'all have some unsavory fellow travelers on board.
Is this your way of screaming Robery Ayers!! Weather Underground!! Reverend Wright!!
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BucEyedPea 08:46 AM 12-23-2016
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson:
Trade wars, the empowerment of far-right hate groups, exacerbated environmental destruction, damage to our democratic traditions, Putin seizing the Baltic states, general incompetence, and the kind of theft/graft Trump is famous for.
All exaggerated bullshit from the biggest purveyors of Fake News. Especially when China had already been dumping US bonds and has been stockpiling gold and silver.
And since when did the left care about free-trade issues. Bernie opposed them even.

Be careful, the bold part exposes you as a NeoCon and out-of-date Cold Warrior.
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BucEyedPea 08:48 AM 12-23-2016
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson:
The KKK planned a victory parade after Trumps's election, it seems safe to say the feel emboldened. That's obv not to say all Trump fans share those views, but y'all have some unsavory fellow travelers on board.



Trump's pick for the head of NASA, IIRC.
The Communist Party USA was preparing a victory party of their own too. Afterall, this year they felt they didn't need to run their own candidate as they usually do. I don't believe they ran one under Obama either. Well anyway, their website admits they're using the Democratic party to get their agenda implemented. Subversives that they are.
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BucEyedPea 08:54 AM 12-23-2016
Originally Posted by Fishpicker:
just wait 'till the KKK has horses. there's going to be a big uptick in hate crimes from horseback
Did you see the new reality show being created by A&E Entertainment called "Generation KKK."
The A&E reality series, premiering Jan. 10, follows the everyday lives of a group of Ku Klux Klan members. The Daily Beast viewed the first four episodes of this garbage fire of a show.

Thanks to Donald Trump, a president-elect who’s courted their support both implicitly, and—in the case of former Breitbart News president Steve Bannon, his campaign CEO and chief strategist—explicitly, white supremacists are now enjoying unprecedented time in the national sociopolitical spotlight.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...remacists.html

They never quite Alinksyizing because they need to deflect off their own policies.
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LOCOChief 08:57 AM 12-23-2016
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson:
Of course not. Like, his plan is easy to find on the web, you could go there yourself instead of asking Chiefsplanet.
Bernies plan? lol what a trip. The fact that that maniac had as many "young" supporters as he did is how I know this country is going to hell in a handbasket.
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BucEyedPea 08:57 AM 12-23-2016
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson:
Also, threats to civil liberties like expanding libel laws against the press, attacks on gay rights, stopping progress on marijuana decriminalization.
What are you talking about after Obama planned to restore civil liberties?
He's prosecuted more leaks to the press than his predecessors.

Freedom of the press does not mean the freedom to libel someone....and our SC has agreed including on a case involving a politician who won.

He's gonna get around those lying scum with rallies and twitter.

At any rate, he sure beats your candidate's totalitarianism with a compliant citizenry, America put under her dream of hemispheric govt ; eventually into the global govt of which Soros dreams. She had to make Soros happy per her leaked emails.
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