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Nzoner's Game Room>Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
DaFace 01:06 PM 09-29-2018
Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.
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Strongside 07:27 PM 10-04-2018
And agree. Speaks has looked Ryan Sims bad.
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Kiimo 10:59 AM 10-05-2018
The problem with Speaks getting left on his ass is that is the ONLY thing Veach liked about him. Heeeyyyyyy this guy is on his feet a lot!

Um, that is not why you draft a guy at linebacker. MY GOD one pick away from Josh Jackson. Shake my fucking head.
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Mecca 11:10 AM 10-05-2018
Originally Posted by RunKC:
This is what pisses me off the most. I don’t know if it’s Veach, Andy or Sutton, but it’s embarrassing.

The draft segment in April showed Speaks having some experience doing things in this defense, but the article that came out last week stated he was learning a new position and essentially starting over.

Why the fuck are we drafting guys and transitioning them? Ford, Tanoh and now Speaks. Fucking draft a player that played 3-4 OLB in college. What is so hard about that?

You only get these guys for 4 years before you have to pay them and taking 1-2 years to simply learn a new position is a waste.

This is the kind of shit that will kill us when Mahomes gets paid. We can’t afford to waste cost controlled players.
There are a ton of undersized ends that moved to OLB in the pros, there are more college teams running 3-4 now but the practice of taking a college end and making him a 3-4 OLB is pretty standard, matter of fact tons of really high end guys did it.
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Pitt Gorilla 12:08 PM 10-05-2018
Originally Posted by Kiimosabi:
The problem with Speaks getting left on his ass is that is the ONLY thing Veach liked about him. Heeeyyyyyy this guy is on his feet a lot!

Um, that is not why you draft a guy at linebacker. MY GOD one pick away from Josh Jackson. Shake my ****ing head.
Are people still surprised that Veach is an idiot? Seriously?
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staylor26 12:10 PM 10-05-2018
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
Are people still surprised that Veach is an idiot? Seriously?
If you ask me, you’re the idiot judging a GM that’s 4 games into his first offseason where he had no 1st round pick :-)

Also, will you continue to pretend that Veach isn’t the biggest reason why we have Mahomes?

****ing moron
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ModSocks 12:32 PM 10-05-2018
Speaks looks like shit right now, no doubt.

But it's waaaay too early to declare anything other than that.

We have far too many examples of front 7 guys who look like shit as rookies only to develop into quality players.

He certainly doesn't have the look of a blue chipper right now, but hopefully he can be a 7+ sack guy in the future.
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ROYC75 12:38 PM 10-05-2018
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
Are people still surprised that Veach is an idiot? Seriously?
Please explain your case!
Seriously!
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dirk digler 12:47 PM 10-05-2018
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
Are people still surprised that Veach is an idiot? Seriously?

You always get on to people for over reacting but here you are doing the same thing. You may end up being right but it is way to early to say one way or another.
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staylor26 12:47 PM 10-05-2018
Originally Posted by ROYC75:
Please explain your case!
Seriously!
We’re 4 games into his tenure and he still hasn’t drafted any All-Pros!
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TLO 12:50 PM 10-05-2018
I appreciate ChiefsPlanet's evolution over the past year.

All threads used to morph into Alex Smith discussions.

Now they morph into a combination of Veach / Speaks discussions.

:-) :-)
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RunKC 01:11 PM 10-05-2018
Originally Posted by Mecca:
There are a ton of undersized ends that moved to OLB in the pros, there are more college teams running 3-4 now but the practice of taking a college end and making him a 3-4 OLB is pretty standard, matter of fact tons of really high end guys did it.
It’s not just about drafting a guy. Speaks looks significantly worse than Dee Ford, who ran away from a play once.

Ford and Tanoh showed flashes early while Speaks has not only shown nothing in 4 games, but has been getting his shit pushed in (literally) so far. He doesn’t just look green. So far he looks like he has no business being on the field at this level playing OLB.

Put him at DL full time.
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ROYC75 01:14 PM 10-05-2018
Originally Posted by staylor26:
We’re 4 games into his tenure and he still hasn’t drafted any All-Pros!
A wee bit antsy?

No ?
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Titty Meat 01:17 PM 10-05-2018
Reids comments should make everyone feel confident about Berry.... NOT
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carcosa 01:19 PM 10-05-2018
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Reids comments should make everyone feel confident about Berry.... NOT
welp

I asked Andy Reid if he expects Eric Berry to play this season: “Yeah, we’ll see. We’re taking it day by day. But yeah, we’ll see how it goes.”

— Tom Martin (@TomKCTV5) October 5, 2018


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htismaqe 01:38 PM 10-05-2018
Every day is day to day. He's not going to play.
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