Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
I keep hearing about this second wave that can hit KC by re-opening. Does anyone have any numbers representing this “first wave” in KC that I must have missed. Is anyone really worried about the numbers they’ve seen specifically out of the KC area so far? [Reply]
Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage:
I erased and retyped part of it and forgot to put that back in there. That's definitely the good part.
Given it seems like a lot of us will have to get it. Hoping I get the weak version!
The story also said they were handling 4 x the normal amount of ventilations they normally do, so I don’t know if I would qualify that as very very very very type situation. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage:
It’s crazy how sick people get from this even when they survive. 18 days in the hospital plus still recovering. It's mind boggling compared to normal cold/flu season sickness.
I've only had 1 time I missed more than 1 day of work due to being ill. It's hard to imagine telling your boss, sorry I missed the last month of work, I got sick.
To add to this. One of our staff out with it is a 26 year old. She’s on day 15 and still feeling pretty terrible. Around day 7 she had to go to ER for fluids. Fever for 13 days and it’s finally leaving.
Originally Posted by Monticore:
So they don’t count , cool
If you're gonna go there then we have to go back to the flu argument. How many people get sick and\or die of the flu each year? Why don't we shut down to prevent it?
Do they not count?
Originally Posted by petegz28:
If you're gonna go there then we have to go back to the flu argument. How many people get sick and\or die of the flu each year? Why don't we shut down to prevent it?
Do they not count?
See how that works?
The flu shot the thing that saves lives that 50% of the country is afraid to take because big pharma only created to make Money.is the reason we don’t shut stuff down during influenza and we still lockdown nursing homes during those outbreaks, if 100% took it you wouldn’t be able to compare covid to the flu right now either [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
The story also said they were handling 4 x the normal amount of ventilations they normally do, so I don’t know if I would qualify that as very very very very type situation.
975kish active cases at the moment in the US. 1.6% of them are serius\critical. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
If you're gonna go there then we have to go back to the flu argument. How many people get sick and\or die of the flu each year? Why don't we shut down to prevent it?
Do they not count?
See how that works?
Because it isn't as deadly as COVID-19 and COVID-19 was/is a novel virus. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
The flu shot the thing that saves lives that 50% of the country is afraid to take because big pharma only created to make Money.is the reason we don’t shut stuff down during influenza and we still lockdown nursing homes during those outbreaks, if 100% took it you wouldn’t be able to compare covid to the flu right now either
Assuming it’s accurate that 50% of the population doesn’t get the flu shot, they are not all doing so because of big pharma trying to make money. If that were the case we wouldn’t be such a highly medicated society.
Some people don’t think it will work (accurate to a degree) and might decide not to get it but I’m guessing the vast majority don’t get it because they don’t even think about it in any way. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
And if there is never a scalable/effective vaccine developed, what is Plan B?
All the plans have the same endpoint, some get there slower than others, and some have immunity assumptions that give hope the death toll is lower than the high numbers that drove the fear in the current plans.
The plans were set to control or help reduce the hospital loads and delay the sickness, not eliminate it.
Should we not have a vaccine soon, the numbers wil rise on infections and deaths. Its inevitable. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
Assuming it’s accurate that 50% of the population doesn’t get the flu shot, they are not all doing so because of big pharma trying to make money. If that were the case we wouldn’t be such a highly medicated society.
Some people don’t think it will work (accurate to a degree) and might decide not to get it but I’m guessing the vast majority don’t get it because they don’t even think about it in any way.
45% of people over 18 get the flu shot in the us last time I checked , I wasn’t serious about the pharma thing , I just know some don’t ecause if various reasons which would have been to long to list so I took a dramatic one. [Reply]
