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Washington DC and The Holy Land>Should we cut Social Security and Medicare benefits?
NJChiefsFan27 01:14 PM 02-25-2020
Scientific poll incoming!
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IowaHawkeyeChief 08:58 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by Loneiguana:
No, I'm asking you to understand the hardships of single women before a lot of the social programs existed before you parrot stupid dependency talking points.

Ask the Know Nothing party what they think about your question. You'd fit right in with them.
Yes, it was hard for single women then, specifically those who decided to have children out of wedlock or a two parent home. These instances were rare... Are they rare today? What made these situations commonplace in today's America with birth control being so much more effective?

Again, has illegal immigration hurt these poor brown, black and white communities?
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HonestChieffan 09:20 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by crayzkirk:
The big problem with social security and other programs like it are that the government decides to make use of the 'free' money and then the interest that was to be generated is gone.

Social security is simply another tax on the middle class. Instead of having a cutoff where no additional money is taxed, it should have a starting point where no money below that point is taxed.
Taxes should begin at the first dollar
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King_Chief_Fan 09:52 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by FlaChief58:
If the government had not forced people to pay into ss all of our lives, then sure, cut it. As it is, crooked politicians saw ss as their own personal piggy banks for their pork barrel projects, which is why it's in trouble. Return the money that was stolen and crack down on people who fraudulently claimed and the system would be solvent.
Bush had the right idea of putting SS taxes paid by people and their companies into a 401k plan.
Government can't touch it. Of course Congress said NO!
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patteeu 09:52 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan:
Taxes should begin at the first dollar
I endorse this post.
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Garcia Bronco 10:02 AM 02-26-2020
Medicare and SS are not "socialism"
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FlaChief58 10:07 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco:
Medicare and SS are not "socialism"
^ truth
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Loneiguana 10:09 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco:
Medicare and SS are not "socialism"
Conservatives are really showcasing that their definition of "socialism" is just things I don't like.

American government decides how much and when employees and employers pay into the system, how much individuals receive in benefits when they get them, and prevents almost everyone from opting out.. The program requires workers and their employers, along with self-employed individuals, to pay into the system throughout their working years. The government controls the money they contribute and decides when and how much they get back after—and if—they reach retirement age.

It is wholly and completely a program where the government controls the means of and distribution of services.

Its is absolutely hilarious watching conservatives twist and turn in their desperation that socialism exist here in America is very popular and beneficial.
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Garcia Bronco 10:19 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by Loneiguana:
Conservatives are really showcasing that their definition of "socialism" is just things I don't like.

American government decides how much and when employees and employers pay into the system, how much individuals receive in benefits when they get them, and prevents almost everyone from opting out.. The program requires workers and their employers, along with self-employed individuals, to pay into the system throughout their working years. The government controls the money they contribute and decides when and how much they get back after—and if—they reach retirement age.

It is wholly and completely a program where the government controls the means of and distribution of services.

Its is absolutely hilarious watching conservatives twist and turn in their desperation that socialism exist here in America is very popular and beneficial.
Not true. I can save for medical expenses and retirement though private means. Ergo, there is a private-sector competition.

I don't have to pay into social security
I don't have to pay into medicare.

They are taxes for workers and businesses legally passed by Congress and signed into law by the President.

Also, because I pay those taxes...that's why you are your moron buddies get a big **** you when you come around with your hand out wanting more.


It was so cold outside this morning...I saw a democrat on the streets, he had his hands in his own pockets.
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Loneiguana 10:27 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco:
Not true. I can save for medical expenses and retirement though private means. Ergo, there is a private-sector competition.

I don't have to pay into social security
I don't have to pay into medicare.

They are taxes for workers and businesses legally passed by Congress and signed into law by the President.

Also, because I pay those taxes...that's why you are your moron buddies get a big **** you when you come around with your hand out wanting more.


It was so cold outside this morning...I saw a democrat on the streets, he had his hands in his own pockets.
Another nonsensical rambling post by a conservative trying to "logic" their way into deluding himself that S.S. is not a socialist program in america that is very popular and very effective at solving the problem it was created to solve.
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Beef Supreme 10:28 AM 02-26-2020
Give me back the money I've paid into it, with interest, and I'm fine with cutting it. I'm not too keen on just gifting the government that money, however.
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patteeu 10:39 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco:
Medicare and SS are not "socialism"
Huh?
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FlaChief58 10:52 AM 02-26-2020
Give me free shit or give me more free shit
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Rain Man 12:39 PM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by HemiEd:

If it was an optional program, nobody would be in it. Everyone would opt out as they are all "special" and want the money now instead of paying in to the program. Many have enjoyed the great success of the stock market lately, but my 401 got hammered after 9/11 and then again in 2007/8.

This is a key point. Sure, there are people paying into Social Security who would save just fine on their own. But a lot of people wouldn't, and very few people save sufficient amounts to fund retirement. If you made the program optional, it would basically be just like saving on your own and most people don't do that.

Do you know what the median retirement savings amount is in America? For ages 18-65, the median amount saved is $2,000. That's not going to get you far in retirement.

And yeah, younger people have less, but the median amount for people age 55-64 is $16,000. That's not going to get you very far, either.

The simple truth is that most people don't save for retirement. Everything about saving for retirement promotes procrastination: it's a long way off, it's a big goal, it requires deferred gratification, and it's a process that many people don't understand or enjoy. If we as a society don't want elderly people begging on every street corner, we need to have a societal savings plan that they are forced to participate in.
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AdolfOliverBush 12:49 PM 02-26-2020
Each person should be assigned an individual "Social Security account" when they receive a SSN. Your contributions go into it, and that's what you get back. No more, no less. The government shouldn't be allowed to touch or tax that money.

In a perfect world, everyone would save for retirement on their own. As others have said, that's never going to happen.
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Beef Supreme 12:58 PM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush:
Each person should be assigned an individual "Social Security account" when they receive a SSN. Your contributions go into it, and that's what you get back. No more, no less. The government shouldn't be allowed to touch or tax that money.

In a perfect world, everyone would save for retirement on their own. As others have said, that's never going to happen.
You must be a real financial guru if you think that stashing money somewhere and then getting back the exact same amount, many years later, without any investment returns is a good idea.
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