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Washington DC and The Holy Land>Should we cut Social Security and Medicare benefits?
NJChiefsFan27 01:14 PM 02-25-2020
Scientific poll incoming!
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Reerun_KC 03:53 PM 02-25-2020
Originally Posted by Randallflagg:
And I have always said that anyone - ANYONE - who wishes to opt out of the program should be allowed to.

However, if the SHTF (2008 for example and WILL happen again) good luck to you. :-)
Or if we have another depression and the govt goes bankrupt. Which can happen. Then we’re all fucked and cash is king.
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Hydrae 03:53 PM 02-25-2020
Originally Posted by Randallflagg:
I have stated for the last 20-25 years that if the government wishes to rid itself of Social Security - fine. Start with an age and make the cutoff there. If those don't wish to responsibly plan for their future - they can starve.

But we both know that it will never happen that way. When those who didn't give two craps about retirement are living in the street when they are 70 years old - Uncle Sugar will (most likely) step in.

Hell, that's what started Social Security in the first place.
Yep, some of us who have been around for a few years know that this is an old discussion that has been talked about for decades now. Some things never change.
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Loneiguana 03:55 PM 02-25-2020
Originally Posted by Randallflagg:
"Medicare for all" is a bullshit use of phraseology and nothing more. Sort of like the democrats use of the phrase "If the republicans win, they are going to take your social security" It's bullshit by bullshitters.

Medicare for all would include 95% of those who have never held a job in their lives; have never paid a tax, and are accountable to no one and leave the rest of America to pick up the bill.

Social Security is a tax that we seniors have paid all of our working lives - say from age 14 to 70 years of age. We are "getting our own money back as promised"

I can't understand why you can't differentiate between the two.......oh yeah, you are a democrat.
You seem to be under the impression there is some sort of guarantee you get "your money back". If you die alone with no survivors 2 days into retirement, who gets "your money back"?

Or that social security benefits are very often paid out to people who "didn't work for it." (kids).

SS is boomer socialism. And you boomers love to pretend otherwise.
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Randallflagg 03:56 PM 02-25-2020
Originally Posted by patteeu:
I agree with you and the others who say SS isn't going away. Benefits will be reduced one way or another (higher salary cap for taxation, older age of retirement, tweaked algorithm for calculating benefit, etc.), but we're not going back to a fend for yourself system.

Medicare is the biggest culprit anyway and it's being driven by out of control healthcare (not insurance premium) costs. No one seems to know what to do about that and it's nearly political suicide to try to do anything. That's a bad situation.

2019 I was diagnosed with throat and neck cancer. $250,000 dollars was paid for by insurance and I STILL owe another $61,000.

One thing I have learned over the years - having a Wife that was a MSN for over 30 years and being within earshot of her daily job - Cancer is an EXTREMELY PROFITABLE proposition for the medical field as well as the multi-trillion dollar insurance companies.
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Randallflagg 03:58 PM 02-25-2020
Originally Posted by Loneiguana:
You seem to be under the impression there is some sort of guarantee you get "your money back". If you die alone with no survivors 2 days into retirement, who gets "your money back"?

Or that social security benefits are very often paid out to people who "didn't work for it." (kids).

SS is boomer socialism. And you boomers love to pretend otherwise.

Sonny, you remind me of me - when I was young guy. I said many of the same things that you are regurgitating. Funny thing happened along the way.

I woke up one day and I was an old man.

:-) you will be one sooner than you think :-)

Good luck to you....you are going to need it.
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Hydrae 04:01 PM 02-25-2020
Originally Posted by Reerun_KC:
Or if we have another depression and the govt goes bankrupt. Which can happen. Then we’re all ****ed and cash is king.
Save those papiermarks.
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IowaHawkeyeChief 04:01 PM 02-25-2020
Originally Posted by Loneiguana:
Here are some facts for you to ignore while you continue to parrot busted No Nothing Party rhetoric.





https://www.nasi.org/discuss/2015/08...present-future



https://www.cbpp.org/research/social...-other-program



https://www.aarp.org/money/investing...-security.html

Remember Voters, Republicans want to take us back to a time when over 50 percent of the elderly were impoverished.


:-) Reread my first post dolt... Like any government program, politicians won't make decisions in the best interest of the program and many politicians want to create dependency. Social security NRA should have been indexed from the start, as well as Medicare, which would have kept them in sound financial position, however, politicians scared elders instead of actually finding a solution...
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Detoxing 04:06 PM 02-25-2020
Anything that helps anyone is bad. Boostraps and shit.
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Marcellus 04:07 PM 02-25-2020
OP is a weak ass attempt at making these things "socialist".

The problem is I have fucking paid into these programs specifically my entire working adult life so its not at all socialist to get what I paid in back.
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IowaHawkeyeChief 04:07 PM 02-25-2020
Originally Posted by Loneiguana:
Oh, and just to highlight how dumb this comment is, look into what historically happened to single mothers before a social safety net. Learn some things about women staying with abusers a lot more often because they had no other options. Or what happened to families of the civil war when their father was killed. Learn about Alm houses and poor houses.
Are you really saying that single mothers, whom were never married, were just as prevalent before Section 8, food stamps and other programs?

And fuck you for comparing widowed single mothers whose husbands died in war to welfare moms with 4 different baby daddies...

Also, answer the question... Has illegal immigration helped these of which you speak, or hurt them?
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Bob Dole 04:21 PM 02-25-2020
Right. Things I've paid in to my entire life and expect to get the promised return is "Socialism".
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IowaHawkeyeChief 04:41 PM 02-25-2020
Originally Posted by Bob Dole:
Right. Things I've paid in to my entire life and expect to get the promised return is "Socialism".
They weren't designed as "socialism" however, if the left gets there way and SS and Medicare is applied to ever high wages with benefits capped, it is getting closer and closer. If you add up all of you and your employers contributions, actuarial analysis would show you are getting less than if you were saving these contribution in your own private account. It is wealth re-distribution, and headed even further in that direction, as those making more are taxed more with no increase in their benefits.
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Bugeater 04:44 PM 02-25-2020
Originally Posted by BigBeauford:
Imagine a scene with tens of millions of elderly and near retirement people taking to the streets and wrecking shop. I promise that would happen without SS. It's a very small price that we pay to keep the peace.
Eh... It will be a little rough until they all die of starvation. With suffering comes a greater good.
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Just Passin' By 04:49 PM 02-25-2020
Originally Posted by BigBeauford:
Imagine a scene with tens of millions of elderly and near retirement people taking to the streets and wrecking shop. I promise that would happen without SS. It's a very small price that we pay to keep the peace.
Imagine a scene where an entire country is forced to pay into a terrible system, and that system collapses because of massive flaws built into its creation, resulting in either the betrayal of hundreds of millions of retirements or additional and massive expenditures via massive taxation increases which result in massive budget and debt problems for that country.
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crayzkirk 05:07 PM 02-25-2020
Originally Posted by patteeu:
Social security survives like a cockroach because it was designed to have a lot of buy in and at least an appearance of a contributions/forced savings program. Your fix would turn that on it's head and make SS a more identifiable welfare program and it would lose political support just like welfare did in the 90s.
Not really a solution; just noting that it's another tax on the middle class. Mostly because, they already know that they could take all of the billionaires money and have it spent in six months while they have their supporters believing that the people with all of the money are hoarding it. Can someone explain to me why people feel entitled to something they didn't earn? Even if the people inherit their money, what right does anyone else have to it?

I just want one valid reason why someone would feel like Bill Gates owes them one red cent.
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