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Fantasy/CasinoPlanet>Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs
Rain Man 12:15 AM 03-22-2009
The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 35 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.


Spoiler!

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 35 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 850 points. The 10th pick is normally 1,300 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*1,300, or 1,495 points.

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 850 points, but in this game it will be worth 553 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 480 points, so you can get 73 points back from the other team.

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 73 points in the above example from a third team.)

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Kyle DeLexus 03:24 PM 05-10-2009
So we are allowed to do one of each a trade up and a trade down? Also the trade down discount is very steep I believe 30% would be acceptable it would be twice what you are giving for a trade up....plus I have found a trade I would do at 30% :-) and 35% cripples it
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Rain Man 04:09 PM 05-10-2009
Originally Posted by bdeg:
does the 2nd pick of the 4th round have a 108 or 92 point value? im guessing 92(going by 102 overall) but correct me if i'm wrong
It seems to me like valuing the number of the pick is more accurate than going by round, in case compensatory picks vary.


Did I screw you over or help you? :-)
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Rain Man 04:19 PM 05-10-2009
Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus:
So we are allowed to do one of each a trade up and a trade down? Also the trade down discount is very steep I believe 30% would be acceptable it would be twice what you are giving for a trade up....plus I have found a trade I would do at 30% :-) and 35% cripples it

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bdeg 04:21 PM 05-10-2009
well originally i was trying to trade up for connor barwin, but it's impossible(shoulda known). working on something new though and it's looking pretty good. it's a trade down so that helps a little bit, looking at the value chart again I see they have an additional column "AP"(additional/comp picks i assume), I assumed it ended with r7 and therefore the true value would be somewhere in the middle, but it seems they took it into account. funny stuff about the value chart here: http://walterfootball.com/tradevaluecharterrors.php

just rounding out the later picks
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Kyle DeLexus 04:28 PM 05-10-2009
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Honestly 35% is a lot. I originally thought it was 30 and thats why I found one I would do. Trying to trade out of 3 for 35% would mean you basically trade to 8 about straight up and 30% is trading to 7 straight up.
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Kyle DeLexus 04:29 PM 05-10-2009
Someone put a sweet sig in for me. Takes place of my KCKings draft picks
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Rain Man 04:54 PM 05-10-2009
Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus:
Honestly 35% is a lot. I originally thought it was 30 and thats why I found one I would do. Trying to trade out of 3 for 35% would mean you basically trade to 8 about straight up and 30% is trading to 7 straight up.
If others want to chime in, we can change it. I thought it was a little high for mid- and late-round picks, but the problem is those first five picks. There's such an escalation of value that almost anyone would trade out of them if the discount isn't big and their guy isn't in the next few picks. It's the problem with perfect knowledge.
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Kyle DeLexus 04:57 PM 05-10-2009
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
If others want to chime in, we can change it. I thought it was a little high for mid- and late-round picks, but the problem is those first five picks. There's such an escalation of value that almost anyone would trade out of them if the discount isn't big and their guy isn't in the next few picks. It's the problem with perfect knowledge.
Yeah I understand were your coming from. I still wouldn't get the guy I want and feel he would be a reach at 3, so if we wouldn't change it any I'd have to reject Cassel and take Sanchez.
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bdeg 05:14 PM 05-10-2009
sticking with the 4-3 here and accepting the Cassel/Vrabel and TG trades while not trading away any of next year's picks.

I trade the 3 (1320 pts at discounted value) to the patriots for the 40(500), 41(490), 83(175), 97(112), 141(35.5), 232(2.2), and the 234(2). 1316.7 pt value

40-Everette Brown
41-Connor Barwin
67-Kraig Urbik
83-Brandon Tate
97-Jonathan Luigs
102-Donald Washington
139-Jasper Brinkley
141-Duke Robinson
175-Jarius Wynn
212-Javarris Williams
232-Jake O'Connell
234-Zach Follett
256-Ryan Succop
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Rain Man 05:18 PM 05-10-2009
Originally Posted by bdeg:
sticking with the 4-3 here and accepting the Cassel/Vrabel and TG trades while not trading away any of next year's picks.

I trade the 3 (1320 pts at discounted value) to the patriots for the 40(500), 41(490), 83(175), 97(112), 141(35.5), 232(2.2), and the 234(2). 1316.7 pt value

40-Everette Brown
41-Connor Barwin
67-Kraig Urbik
83-Brandon Tate
97-Jonathan Luigs
102-Donald Washington
139-Jasper Brinkley
141-Duke Robinson
175-Jarius Wynn
212-Javarris Williams
232-Jake O'Connell
234-Zach Follett
256-Ryan Succop

Ooh, blockbuster. But be careful - Belichick is a merciless trade partner.
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bdeg 05:28 PM 05-10-2009
as am i :-)
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bdeg 06:06 PM 05-10-2009
oops, for some reason i thought it was a 40% discount, so im gonna rework it a little bit with the new value
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bdeg 06:34 PM 05-10-2009
here we go. sticking with the 4-3 here and accepting the Cassel/Vrabel and TG trades while not trading away any of next year's picks.

I trade the 3 (1430 pts at discounted value) to the patriots for the 40(500), 41(490), 73(225), 83(175), 141(35.5), 232(2.2), and the 234(2). 1429.7 pt value

40-Everette Brown
41-Connor Barwin
67-Kraig Urbik
73-Antoine Caldwell
83-Brandon Tate
102-Donald Washington
139-Jasper Brinkley
141-Duke Robinson
175-Jarius Wynn
212-Javarris Williams
232-Jake O'Connell
234-Zach Follett
256-Ryan Succop
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Kyle DeLexus 07:07 PM 05-10-2009
Originally Posted by bdeg:
here we go. sticking with the 4-3 here and accepting the Cassel/Vrabel and TG trades while not trading away any of next year's picks.

I trade the 3 (1430 pts at discounted value) to the patriots for the 40(500), 41(490), 73(225), 83(175), 141(35.5), 232(2.2), and the 234(2). 1429.7 pt value

40-Everette Brown
41-Connor Barwin
67-Kraig Urbik
73-Antoine Caldwell
83-Brandon Tate
102-Donald Washington
139-Jasper Brinkley
141-Duke Robinson
175-Jarius Wynn
212-Javarris Williams
232-Jake O'Connell
234-Zach Follett
256-Ryan Succop
WOOT! That mean we are going with 30%?
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bdeg 07:09 PM 05-10-2009
1430 is 35%
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