Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by jdubya:
I see this as more like the "compound interest" principle but in reverse? For each vaccination....multiple folks saved.........
Good point. The line is linear (oh, look at that), but the risk reduction is exponential. So right now I'm in line with smelly people and I'm standing in the sun. But at some point the line will move into shade, and then it'll pass a lemonade stand, and at some point close to the front there'll be lobster and wet t-shirt contests and a string quartet. [Reply]
So right now my friend is in "strong fast flow oxygen" and Remdesivir. God I hope they don't have to go to the ventilator. The mortality statics on a vent are scary. She's in her thirties and obese. [Reply]
In an online Soho Forum debate on December 13, Martin Kulldorff, a Harvard biostatistician and epidemiologist and coauthor of the Great Barrington Declaration, debated Andrew Noymer, an associate professor of population health and disease prevention at the University of California, Irvine, who signed the John Snow Memorandum, in an Oxford-style debate.
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Every person who gets vaccinated is one person closer to me. If the line goes from the Golden Gate Bridge to the Washington Monument, they're in downtown San Francisco now, and I'm probably somewhere between Kentucky and Virginia. But hey, the line's moving and that's the important thing.
Got that right. We finally have a real way out of this shitshow. Light at the end of this dark tunnel can be seen.:-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Got that right. We finally have a real way out of this shitshow. Light at the end of this dark tunnel can be seen.:-)
Just found out I'm getting mine on Saturday. [Reply]
REPORT: Fauci Admits He Lied Because ‘Country Wasn’t Ready’ To Hear The Truth
Dr. Anthony Fauci reportedly said in a phone interview that he has been deliberately changing his public statements regarding the COVID-19 pandemic because he didn’t think people were ready to hear his true beliefs, according to the New York Times.
Fauci has been slowly increasing the number of Americans he says need to be vaccinated for the U.S. to reach “herd immunity” in public statements, the New York Times reported Thursday morning. He reportedly told the Times he has done so “partly based on new science, and partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks.”
Earlier on in the pandemic, Fauci had said the United States would need 60 to 70 percent of people to be vaccinated in order to reach herd immunity, according to the Times. He cited higher numbers of 75 to 80-plus percent in a CNBC interview last week. That prompted the Times to ask him why he had been “moving the goalposts,” their report says.
He reportedly said in the interview that the true number may be close to 90 percent. He also reportedly admitted that weeks earlier he wanted to keep his estimates low because more Americans were skeptical about getting a vaccine. As more Americans have become comfortable getting a vaccine, he has been willing to increase his estimate to his true projections, according to the Times.
Fauci has been a key medical advisor to multiple presidential administrations and is a trusted figure for many Americans as a source of information about the coronavirus pandemic.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Gee...why don't people trust us????
REPORT: Fauci Admits He Lied Because ‘Country Wasn’t Ready’ To Hear The Truth
Dr. Anthony Fauci reportedly said in a phone interview that he has been deliberately changing his public statements regarding the COVID-19 pandemic because he didn’t think people were ready to hear his true beliefs, according to the New York Times.
Fauci has been slowly increasing the number of Americans he says need to be vaccinated for the U.S. to reach “herd immunity” in public statements, the New York Times reported Thursday morning. He reportedly told the Times he has done so “partly based on new science, and partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks.”
Earlier on in the pandemic, Fauci had said the United States would need 60 to 70 percent of people to be vaccinated in order to reach herd immunity, according to the Times. He cited higher numbers of 75 to 80-plus percent in a CNBC interview last week. That prompted the Times to ask him why he had been “moving the goalposts,” their report says.
He reportedly said in the interview that the true number may be close to 90 percent. He also reportedly admitted that weeks earlier he wanted to keep his estimates low because more Americans were skeptical about getting a vaccine. As more Americans have become comfortable getting a vaccine, he has been willing to increase his estimate to his true projections, according to the Times.
Fauci has been a key medical advisor to multiple presidential administrations and is a trusted figure for many Americans as a source of information about the coronavirus pandemic.
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
So he down played it to not cause panic. Seems like I've heard this before.
Not going there as that is pure politics that you are tossing out. That being said Fauci's job is to tell people what is what, imo. This is now at least the 2nd time he has lied "for a good reason".
All I am saying is when this shit happens you can't get pissed when people don't listen to him.
I mean it's like your doctor saying you have cancer but "it's early and we can treat it". Then a few weeks and several chemo treatments later your doctor says "well, I didn't want to tell you that your cancer was stage 4 because I wasn't sure you could handle the truth".
I know that's a bit dramatic but still, his job is to tell us what the deal is, no one gives a fuck about his opinion on people being ready for it or not. [Reply]
In a telephone interview the next day, Dr. Fauci acknowledged that he had slowly but deliberately been moving the goal posts. He is doing so, he said, partly based on new science, and partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks.
Hard as it may be to hear, he said, he believes that it may take close to 90 percent immunity to bring the virus to a halt — almost as much as is needed to stop a measles outbreak.
Asked about Dr. Fauci’s conclusions, prominent epidemiologists said that he might be proven right. The early range of 60 to 70 percent was almost undoubtedly too low, they said, and the virus is becoming more transmissible, so it will take greater herd immunity to stop it. [Reply]
In a telephone interview the next day, Dr. Fauci acknowledged that he had slowly but deliberately been moving the goal posts. He is doing so, he said, partly based on new science, and partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks.
Hard as it may be to hear, he said, he believes that it may take close to 90 percent immunity to bring the virus to a halt — almost as much as is needed to stop a measles outbreak.
Asked about Dr. Fauci’s conclusions, prominent epidemiologists said that he might be proven right. The early range of 60 to 70 percent was almost undoubtedly too low, they said, and the virus is becoming more transmissible, so it will take greater herd immunity to stop it.
Thanks for the Q.....Merry Christmas.....or is it Happy Christmas for you? [Reply]
Fauci looks pretty good for 80. All those years piling up profits in the medical field pays off when you're trying to get the high quality adrenochrome.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Thanks for the Q.....Merry Christmas.....or is it Happy Christmas for you?
That wasn't a Q. It shows that the 60 to 70% was too low, and that science is now showing that it's higher. Would you rather them ignore the science, or adjust their guess based on what they've learned since the beginning? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
That wasn't a Q. It shows that the 60 to 70% was too low, and that science is now showing that it's higher. Would you rather them ignore the science, or adjust their guess based on what they've learned since the beginning?
It was a Q because it was already in my post...... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bowser:
Fauci looks pretty good for 80. All those years piling up profits in the medical field pays off when you're trying to get the high quality adrenochrome.
