Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Bordering where we don't want to go but the Mayor of Chicago and D.C. are doing these things after being out in Biden celebration rallies last week. Okay, fair enough if you want to go celebrate. But they are either ignoring their own orders or exempting themselves, etc.
Point is we keep saying why aren't people taking this seriously? Well, when the people who are tightening things on everyone are not leading by example what do you expect?
The Chicago mayor was out in the streets with 1,000's of people in the last week or two and now she wants you to cancel Thanksgiving? Why would anyone take her seriously?
It's not necessarily encouraged, but out here at least, the gathering rules only apply to indoors. So people can hold Thanksgiving outside if they really want to. [Reply]
We are going virtual Monday for two weeks. We’re required to have 50 daily cases per/100k for a weekly average, before they switch. We’re at 61. I’d love for Oklahoma Department of Health to show their math work. Other than one 86 case day (Due to a backlog of cases they added when switching from manual and electronic). They never told us how many of those 86 cases were actually active. We’ve been in the 30’s everyday with 28 yesterday. We’re in the 300’s in positive cases out of 55k citizens.
But the bars and gyms are open so that’s good. I worked a security event last Sunday at the biggest church in town. I sat in the car except to use the bathroom. Not one person wearing a mask and it was packed. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
If that's correct and we are catching 1 in 6 would we not be close to herd immunity before a vaccine is available to the public around March?
Last I saw, the CDC still says it's more like 10 to 1. So, we're at 110,000,000 cases right now. That's 33% of the population. I think it pretty clear that we haven't reached herd immunity at 33% like some were claiming we'd hit it. If it really is 60 to 80%, I don't even want to think about it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
My grandparents live in Hutch. They're not BAD when it comes to ignoring guidelines, but they told me a month or so ago all about how they were glad not to live in a big city like Denver where all the COVID is. I hope they're starting to take it more seriously. :-)
We were considered a hotspot a couple weeks ago (maybe a month). Things don't seem to be trending in the right direction here. To me it sounds like they are getting ready to move all schools to remote after Thanksgiving, but nothing official has come out.
It has seemed to me that for the most part the city has taken the precautions we can - masks, social distancing, etc - pretty good. But cases keep increasing. As of Thursday night, we have 543 active cases & 27 in the hospital in Reno County.
Hopefully your grandparents are taking it more seriously because I'm considering putting my dad, sister, & oldest son into bubbles. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
It's a good example of why the "let me sign a waiver" takes have been so infuriating (though I've seen less of that lately). Even if YOU don't get terribly sick from it, there's a good chance you'll spread it to someone ELSE who will.
And giving businesses a liability waiver is nuts. People will do whatever the company says or be unemployed. They get covid at work and would spread it to others. A business waiver would put the pandemic on steroid infused exponential growth. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MahiMike:
I just don't get what makes you guys so scared. What's changed since March? Let me guess. More scary media telling you to wear a mask.
Well, we've lost a quarter of a million Americans since March. How's that for a change? [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
It's not necessarily encouraged, but out here at least, the gathering rules only apply to indoors. So people can hold Thanksgiving outside if they really want to.
My 80+ year old aunt wants to host Thanksgiving as usual. She wants to have it on an outdoor patio that has a screened in porch. Okay.
She wants to put up plastic to keep it from being so cold.
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
My 80+ year old aunt wants to host Thanksgiving as usual. She wants to have it on an outdoor patio that has a screened in porch. Okay.
She wants to put up plastic to keep it from being so cold.
Heh. Yeah, that's the issue. I seriously doubt any public health agency is going to try and police it to this level, but you really have to have at least two non-adjacent sides that are open to air flow to really call it "outside." [Reply]
Originally Posted by Dunit35:
But the bars and gyms are open so that’s good. I worked a security event last Sunday at the biggest church in town. I sat in the car except to use the bathroom. Not one person wearing a mask and it was packed.
