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Nzoner's Game Room>*** Official 2019 Kansas City Royals Repository ***
Mama Hip Rockets 08:06 AM 03-28-2019
Get the offseason thread out of here. It's on!

Opening day roster:

Catchers (2): Cam Gallagher, Martin Maldonado

Infielders (7): Hunter Dozier, Lucas Duda, Whit Merrifield, Adalberto Mondesi, Ryan O’Hearn, Chris Owings, Frank Schwindel

Outfielders (4): Alex Gordon, Terrance Gore, Billy Hamilton, Jorge Soler

Starting pitchers (3): Jakob Junis, Brad Keller, Jorge Lopez

Relief pitchers (9): Scott Barlow, Brad Boxberger, Jake Diekman, Chris Ellis, Tim Hill, Ian Kennedy, Kevin McCarthy, Wily Peralta, Kyle Zimmer

Injured list: Danny Duffy, Brian Flynn, Jesse Hahn, Salvador Perez

Suspended: Eric Skoglund
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DJ's left nut 12:03 PM 05-13-2019
Originally Posted by Al Bundy:
The OF does more wear and tear on your body, a lot more miles.
Corner OF, especially, is one of the most physically taxing positions on the diamond.

CF is actually fairly easy because you can glide in/out of your stops. There's a little more running but a lot of it is at cruising speed and pretty easy. There are very few times you need to really bleed speed like when you're going at a wall. And as the CF, you have defensive priority so if you make a call it's the corners that have to peel off or break down. They're the guys that defer and have to come to those hard stops.

If you play the corners with the same effort you play anywhere else, there's a strong argument that they're the hardest spots to play.

1b is also a lot more taxing on a lower half than people realize. If you play the position correctly, you go up and down with your legs/knees and your back is constantly working to adjust to throws. A bad defensive 1b will lean over a lot but a good one uses his whole body to move with a throw across.

Less athletic people can play the corners and 1b for obvious reasons, but I don't think most people give enough credit to have physically taxing those spots can be.
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Mecca 12:05 PM 05-13-2019
Nevermind me...I played center in high school and yea...guess that's why I feel that way.
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DJ's left nut 12:10 PM 05-13-2019
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Nevermind me...I played center in high school and yea...guess that's why I feel that way.
!@#$ing glory boy CFers...

Y'all always needed to take those extra 12 steps after you caught the ball, didntchya? Don't act like we didn't see you take those three stutter steps so you could dive for a ball you should've caught at your waist...
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Mecca 12:11 PM 05-13-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
!@#$ing glory boy CFers...

Y'all always needed to take those extra 12 steps after you caught the ball, didntchya? Don't act like we didn't see you take those three stutter steps so you could dive for a ball you should've caught at your waist...
:-)

Well......I played in a corner once and I hated every second of it, the hook and slice is so much more severe out there than in center.
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tk13 12:17 PM 05-13-2019
The other part of that is the K has the biggest outfield in the league that isn't Colorado. Lot of ground to cover.
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DJ's left nut 12:19 PM 05-13-2019
Originally Posted by Mecca:
:-)

Well......I played in a corner once and I hated every second of it, the hook and slice is so much more severe out there than in center.
Ain't no shit there.

And right about the time you're playing LF and play like you're expecting that tail from a LH batter, it'll be a knuckler that makes you look like a dick.

The corners are a lot like 2b in that the athleticism required is less than CF (as 2b is to SS) but everything about those positions from a purely technical standpoint is more difficult. I was in the unfortunate position of being just athletic/good enough to play SS and CF on bad teams but anytime I had a genuinely good team, there was always someone just good enough to bounce my ass into 2b and LF. Hated both those spots (and eventually pitchers threw stuff that moved, I couldn't hit my weight and that was that).

If you have the athleticism to play CF and SS, those are the easiest positions on the diamond. Everyone defers, everything's in front of you and just about everything travels pretty true and predictably. Fewer people can play 'em because of the threshold athleticism they require, but if you're among the fortunate few, it's just the rich getting richer. You get the glam job that also happens to be easier and a lot more fun...
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duncan_idaho 12:54 PM 05-13-2019
You guys are placing too much meaning into the exact wording Moore used re: Lopez.

He can’t come out and say “we stink this year, and We can gain another year of control of Nicky Lopez by keeping him in the minors through June. We’re not going to waste that to win 71 games instead of 68 or make this year’s product more enjoyable.”

The union would roast him.

Take what GMs day about prospect promotions (or lack thereof) and reasons why with a grain of salt.

The performance at Wilmington is deeply troubling. No way around that. Too many Ks by far, and this is an organization that never had those problems before, even with guys who struggled at Wilmington (Hosmer, in his first taste at age 19, had an ops around .500, but didnt K like this group is).
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suzzer99 01:51 PM 05-13-2019
Originally Posted by Great Expectations:
The bottom 3 hit worse than pitchers in the NL.
It's like the old Hardball game on PC or Commodore 64. If you picked the red team you got stuck with Wratten, Bautista and Dogget - who never got a hit unless it was a blooper.

The other problem with the red team was their catcher, Barnes, was their best hitter. But we figured out catchers never make errors. So the blue team could substitute a good hitter for their crappy-hitting catcher. Not fair.
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BWillie 02:25 PM 05-13-2019
For our long term success, Lopez staying in Omaha as long as possible is a goox thing. I just want to be selfish & see some fun baseball this year
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OKchiefs 02:27 PM 05-13-2019
Originally Posted by BWillie:
For our long term success, Lopez staying in Omaha as long as possible is a goox thing. I just want to be selfish & see some fun baseball this year
How do you define as long as possible? By whatever time in June service time is no longer an issue? Wait until September call-ups? Next season?
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DJ's left nut 02:32 PM 05-13-2019
Originally Posted by BWillie:
For our long term success, Lopez staying in Omaha as long as possible is a goox thing. I just want to be selfish & see some fun baseball this year
Maybe, but maybe not.

Sure, you always want to try to get an extra year of team control and/or cost control. But really, that matters far more on guys with genuine star upside. For a guy like Lopez - a good player with the ability to stick for several years but probably not a future all-star, players like that almost invariably extend prior to their FA seasons anyway.

Meanwhile, by slow-playing him you're also just taking away ABs that can be used on his development.

There's probably a few bucks that can be saved here by leveraging that extra year of team control in an extension conversation. But ultimately if you don't find a palatable number for him, he's just gonna refuse to extend early. So if you also hope to get a guy like that to extend before FA, you have to shoot pretty straight in your contract figures.

Pitchers? Yeah, service time games are the way to go there because it's one more year that you get under control when you can see if he's gonna blow up. Players that have superstar potential? Yeah, do that because they're gonna cost a shitload either way.

But a guy who's likely just gonna be a pretty good player for a pretty long time? I'd think that's the kind of guy that often looks to extend after a couple of seasons anyway and at that point the service time game becomes largely moot. So get him up here and see what you have.
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ROYC75 02:45 PM 05-13-2019
Originally Posted by Al Bundy:
The OF does more wear and tear on your body, a lot more miles.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Corner OF, especially, is one of the most physically taxing positions on the diamond.

CF is actually fairly easy because you can glide in/out of your stops. There's a little more running but a lot of it is at cruising speed and pretty easy. There are very few times you need to really bleed speed like when you're going at a wall. And as the CF, you have defensive priority so if you make a call it's the corners that have to peel off or break down. They're the guys that defer and have to come to those hard stops.

If you play the corners with the same effort you play anywhere else, there's a strong argument that they're the hardest spots to play.

1b is also a lot more taxing on a lower half than people realize. If you play the position correctly, you go up and down with your legs/knees and your back is constantly working to adjust to throws. A bad defensive 1b will lean over a lot but a good one uses his whole body to move with a throw across.

Less athletic people can play the corners and 1b for obvious reasons, but I don't think most people give enough credit to have physically taxing those spots can be.

All of this.
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ROYC75 02:49 PM 05-13-2019
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Dayton Moore is so full of shit with his BS on why Nicky Lopez isn't up here. Apparently they plan on keeping Lopez in the minors for the better part of a decade like they did with Merrifield. Merrifield apparently can't physically handle the outfield full-time, so Lopez literally has no path to the majors on this team for the foreseeable future.
Originally Posted by nychief:
I was surprised by that explanation too.
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Yeah that makes absolutely no sense. Daytons such a fuck tard
Why is this so hard to understand ?Moore is just saying what is best at this present time under the circumstances of this team.
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tyreekthefreak 02:51 PM 05-13-2019
It's time Starling played. Starling is as good as Hamilton, and has more upside. Just tired of seeing the old has-beens out there every day!

Hamilton, Owings, Duda, hell even Soler …..need to go!
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BigCatDaddy 02:59 PM 05-13-2019
Originally Posted by tyreekthefreak:
It's time Starling played. Starling is as good as Hamilton, and has more upside. Just tired of seeing the old has-beens out there every day!

Hamilton, Owings, Duda, hell even Soler …..need to go!
Soler?
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